China new AWACs

In my opion, that only there is an AWACs in Austrulia Air Force which could be equal to China new AWACs.
Why we give up to keep eye on the key which will control the result of air fighting in future

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why does everyone like to use turboprops for their AWACS?

i think some of the orions use jet engines tho ; *may be wrong*

but why do they choose turboprops for most AWACS??

is it cheaper? more fuel efficient?
does it somehow effect the radar?

i dont know much about AWACS

but on that omnimax movie "Operation Red Flag"
about the fighter jets ;
it shows the computer screen for one of our AWACS i think

it was really awesome
their computer systems are really sophisticated and advanced

Originally posted by emile
In my opion, that only there is an AWACs in Austrulia Air Force which could be equal to China new AWACs.

And why do you say that??

Emile, there are atleast 15 threads in this froum on the AWACS that China seems to be building.

And the Indian Air Force has the PHALCON AWACS from Israel which is as poweful as the latest E-3 ! and IMO its atleast 3 times more powerful than this Chinese AWACS.

Actually the US will replace the Orions with modified 737's.

They already won the contracy and are finishing the final design.

About not using jet engines, it has to do with cruising at a very low speed that sometimes they need to. Boeing had to prove that the 737 could cruise at a very low altitute/speed before they could consider a jet replacement

StealthSpy, could you provide a link where a website states the efficiency and power output of the radar on the Y-8? Because I certainly can't and you can't either so why do you say that the Phalcon is at least 3 times more powerful than the Y-8 AWACs? All of the E-3, Phalcon and KJ-2000 and Y-8 AWACs are very top secret, I don't see how you could've compared the power output and efficiency of the Phalcon to the KJ-2000 or the Y-8 and power output doesn't necessarily relate to the efficiency of an AWAC. Phalcons and the Y-8 AWACs in the picture have very different roles as well. The Y-8 AWACs as you can see have turboprops to provide thrust when the Phalcons have turbofan engines to provide thrust. Y-8 AWACs is meant for maritime patrol which is DEFINITELY not the role that Phalcons are meant to do.

If the radar on the Y-8 is anything similar to the design that China acquired from the PS-890 Ericsson Erieye then the radar shall have a range of 450 Kms. Here is a page for some info www.sinodefence.com... It needs more updates though.

From what I heard, after America stopped the transfering of the Phalcons to China a few years back, Israel had to pay China 300 million $$ for the desruptions that they've caused and repay what China had invested in the program. Instead China let Israel keep the money and demanded the know how on the Phalcon which Israel gave and China again modified it and improved it with what China knows and out comes KJ-2000.

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Originally posted by Stealth Spy


And the Indian Air Force has the PHALCON AWACS from Israel which is as poweful as the latest E-3 ! and IMO its atleast 3 times more powerful than this Chinese AWACS.

getting they haven't got them

Dear all,

As a matter of interest the P-3 Orion is not an AWACS aircraft. It is an ASW aircraft.

They use turboprops as opposed to the turbofans on the best ASW aircraft, the Nimrod.

The difference is simply due to the airframe chosen at the time of the contract. The US used the Lockheed Electra airframe whereas here in the UK they used the Comet airframe..

The P-3 replacement is the P-8 which is based on a Boeing 737 airframe.

Cheers

BHR

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Dear all,

As a matter of interest the P-3 Orion is not an AWACS aircraft. It is an ASW aircraft

Here's the link to the Coast Guard aircraft.

The Lockheed Martin P-3 AEW Orion was developed using ex-Royal Australian Air Force and US Navy P-3B airframes, combined with the APS-125 Radar and Mission System (later retrofitted with an APS-138 system) from the United States Navy E-2 Hawkeye carrier-borne AEW&C aircraft. The United States Customs Service, which is at this time the sole user of the P-3 AEW, took delivery of the first one in 1988 and since 1993 has been operating a fleet of four aircraft for counter-narcotics missions in the US particularly over the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean. Other radars fitted to the P-3 AEW to fulfill the counter-narcotics mission includes the Hughes APG-63U, derived from the radar used in early model F-15 Eagle fighters.

www.geocities.com...
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Originally posted by emile
In my opion, that only there is an AWACs in Austrulia Air Force which could be equal to China new AWACs.
Why we give up to keep eye on the key which will control the result of air fighting in future.






Looks like the Erieye side looking airborne radar (SLAR) from Ericsson Microwave Systems.
The Erieye radar provides 360° coverage with optimum performance of the radar over the 150° azimuthal sectors on each side of the aircraft. The radar can detect fighter aircraft at a range of 350km in a dense hostile electronic warfare environment, in heavy radar clutter and at low target altitudes. The radar has a sea surveillance mode.

Where as the aussie Wedgetail uses The MESA Multi-role Electronically Scanned Array radar is being supplied by Northrop Grumman Electronic Sensors and Systems Division, based in Baltimore. Tenix Defence Systems of Adelaide, Australia, is supplying some components and modules for the radar. MESA provides 360° coverage and a range of over 200 nautical miles. The radar has a system track capability of 3,000 targets and can track air and sea targets simultaneously. The system's variable track update rates and dedicated tracking modes allow the operator to track allied and hostile high performance aircraft while continuously scanning the area of operations.

I think the aussie system would be superior.

How come every single CGI drawing is purported to be some new Chinese secret aircraft design? Topgunchen is a great artist, but he's an ARTIST. His work is all over the place on the net. He's even done a collection of J-10 side views showing different theoretical camoflage patterns. Those were pretty interesting.

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Seems to me CW, Ausys got there JET AWACS from the US. As for china mayhaps they actually developed their Own?

Dallas

Looks like the Erieye side looking airborne radar (SLAR) from Ericsson Microwave Systems.
The Erieye radar provides 360° coverage with optimum performance of the radar over the 150° azimuthal sectors on each side of the aircraft. The radar can detect fighter aircraft at a range of 350km in a dense hostile electronic warfare environment, in heavy radar clutter and at low target altitudes. The radar has a sea surveillance mode.
As per chinawhite's picture or a copy of it

Yeah, as I have said, Y-8 is a maritime patrol aircraft meant for patrol around the Chinese seas and possibly other areas.

Originally posted by Jezza

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Dear all,

As a matter of interest the P-3 Orion is not an AWACS aircraft. It is an ASW aircraft.

Here's the link to the Coast Guard aircraft.

The Lockheed Martin P-3 AEW Orion ........etc
www.geocities.com...

That is REALLY splitting hairs. BHR was correct, the P-3 AEW&C is a minority variant, there was also an AEW Nimrod, doesn't mean the basic type isn't a maritime aircraft.

The US P-3's that are to be replaced by the P-8 are maritime aircraft, not AEW ones.





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Originally posted by waynos

Originally posted by Jezza

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Dear all,

As a matter of interest the P-3 Orion is not an AWACS aircraft. It is an ASW aircraft.

Here's the link to the Coast Guard aircraft.

The Lockheed Martin P-3 AEW Orion ........etc
www.geocities.com...

That is REALLY splitting hairs. BHR was correct, the P-3 AEW&C is a minority variant, there was also an AEW Nimrod, doesn't mean the basic type isn't a maritime aircraft.

The US P-3's that are to be replaced by the P-8 are maritime aircraft, not AEW ones.





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P-3 AEW
United States Customs Service P-3 AEW airborne early warning radar aircraft provide radar coverage wherever needed, including: the southern border, the Caribbean, or over international waters adjacent to as well as over source and transit countries. Established by Congress during the late 1960's in response to the growing number of airborne smugglers bringing drugs into the United States, the Customs Aviation Interdiction Program became operational in 1971. Its mission: to stem the flow of illicit drugs coming into the U.S. through the air and to assist other federal, state and local law enforcement agencies.

In 1998 funds were authorized to be appropriated for the Department of the Treasury for fiscal years 1999, 2000, and 2001 for the enhancement of air coverage and operation for drug source and transit countries in the total amount of $886,500,000. This included funds for the procurement of 10 P-3B Early Warning aircraft for the United States Customs Service to enhance overhead air coverage of drug source zone countries, and for the procurement and deployment of 10 P-3B Slick airplanes for the United States Customs Service to enhance overhead air coverage of the drug source zone.

P-3 Orion is a ASW aircraft but also it has been modified to AWACS and
other surveillance duties

www.globalsecurity.org...


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Why are you simply posting facts about the P-3 AEW&C that no-one disputes? Is meant to show that I was wrong in some way?

It doesn't change the fact that the US P-3's that are due to be replaced by the Boeing P-8 are maritime versions and the coast guards AEW P-3's arent among them.

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
And the Indian Air Force has the PHALCON AWACS from Israel which is as poweful as the latest E-3 ! and IMO its atleast 3 times more powerful than this Chinese AWACS.

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That is pure BS.

Did you know that the Israelis wanted to sell the Phalcon AWACS to the CHINESE before they offered it to the Indians? They were stopped by the Americans though. The Chinese AWACs uses a triangular radar shape similar to the one found ONLY on the Phalcon AWACS, unlike the American E-3 and other AWACS, which have to rotate the radar. The Chinese wanted to mount the Phalcon radar on an IL-76 airframe, and both the Israelis and the Russians agreed. Apparently, quite a bit of the tech from the Phalcon went into this AWACS, even though they didn't exactly sell it to the Chinese. You have no facts whatsover to back that.

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Dear all,

As a matter of interest the P-3 Orion is not an AWACS aircraft. It is an ASW aircraft.

The P-3 Orion is an ASW aircraft. There are AEW versions of the P-3, but those are the minority.