Hi guys.

Can anybody explain how this works?
Is there really a science benind this or is it purely of a higher level?

If it is of a higher nature then if we could control it and manipulate it we could see the future. Going a bit overboard but I have been thinking about it for a while.

But then when we experience dejavu it mainly relates to ourselves. Not too sure about that. To me it seems that this experience is a personal one.

Any comments guys?

12/07/05 / South Africa / 15:28pm

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angie

there is no exact scientific explantion for dejavu...a common theme in things dealing with your mind...

the theory is that basically due to something your brain gets confused and thinks it thinking about the past, except your viewing it so you are like "wait didnt i do that?"

Actually there is a scientific explaination or at least theory. basically your eyes (as well as other parts of your body) send messages to your brain in the form of electrical impulses in which your brain then interprets them. The electrical impulses move lightning fast (this much is fact).
The theory is that sometimes an impulse repeats itself. Since they are recieved at lightning speed, the theory continues in that even though it is repeating a signal it's so fast that a situation you expirence seems like you already expirenced it at another time in your life or something. It's so fast though that you would actually have no way to realize that you actually just expirenced it milliseconds before.
Does not mean that is what Dejevue is, but that is the scientific theory of it.

I remember watching a programme about a chief fireman at a big factory blaze who had a bad feeling/de ja vu about what he was seeing. He couldnt understand it because he could see the fire was under control and that there was no danger. Anyway he pulled out the firefighters straight away from the factory and seconds later the building blew up.

He talked psychologists many times about this and it turned out that his brain was processing the data on an subconcious level, like a 3rd sense and it was recognising the lessing of smoke, the heat that was still there and other things and reminding him of a situation that happened many years before that he had forgotten about. It was a backdraft only this one was on a bigger scale and thats why he on a concoius level never recognised it straight away.

Soapydodger, don't confuse that with dejevue. What he had was more a gut feeling (instint, 6th sense, etc) or a premonition or what the shrinks told him about a past event. What he had was not dejevue. dejevue is thinking you already expirenced something that you are currently expirencing.
When i was a sniper in the army, part of our training was actually never to stare to long at a target (human) as they may pick up on the fact that you are staring at them and "sense" your presense. The Army actually called it the 6th sense. The Army actually believes in it also.
However, that is not what dejevue is.



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I remember having it occur several times as a kid, but nothing as an adult - I do not know if it is more common in kids, other thoughts on this would be good.

Very strange feeling, but never associated with anything out of the ordinary happening. I just presumed that it was something that happens every now and again in a developing brain. The most memorable incident I had I recall happening while I was just daydreaming on a bus looking out of the window, is daydreaming of any relevance?

when my brother was in the army he and two other guys were in awatch tower. There were two other watch towers about 5 miles in one direction and another 5 miles in a different direction. Anyway these 3 towers made a triangle formation with his making the top of the triangle point. It was dark it was raining and they were bored stiff. So one of the other guys in his tower decided to give a bit of deja vu to everone in the area. He got a big bit of cardboard, cut it into a batman logo and stuck it over the watch light thing they were only allowed to have on for a few minutes or it would burn out. He turned it on and shone it into the clouds. It worked just like in the batman film and the bosses paniced like mad cause they though it was some enemy code for an attack.

My brother and the two others got the jail and they truely did feel like they had been in the situation before. Deja vu.

Kenshiro, like i said in the above post to Soapy. What you had was not dejevue. The first time you had more of a premontion. the second time you had more of a 6th sense feeling. Neither of what you described is dejevue though.
I have gotten dejevue since i was little and still do as an adult. It has never helped me in anyway though to see the future as dejevue is simply thinking you have expirenced something already that you are currently expirencing in the current moment. Usually a person just finds a current situation to all of a sudden become familar like he already expirenced it and then you ponder it and just say "whoa".
I have never heard of it being expirencing something (in the way i describe it above) and knowing the future outcome of the expirence a person is currently expirencing though.
That;s also why the scientific theory of dejevue was come up with (see my other post above).
It seems some people here are confusing it with premonitions and 6th sense feelings.

Here you go:

The term déjà vu is French and means, literally, "already seen." Those who have experienced the feeling describe it as an overwhelming sense of familiarity with something that shouldn't be familiar at all. Say, for example, you are traveling to England for the first time. You are touring a cathedral, and suddenly it seems as if you have been in that very spot before. Or maybe you are having dinner with a group of friends, discussing some current political topic, and you have the feeling that you've already experienced this very thing -- same friends, same dinner, same topic.
The phenomenon is rather complex, and there are many different theories as to why déjà vu happens. Swiss scholar Arthur Funkhouser suggests that there are several "déjà experiences" and asserts that in order to better study the phenomenon, the nuances between the experiences need to be noted. In the examples mentioned above, Funkhouser would describe the first incidence as déjà visité ("already visited") and the second as déjà vecu ("already experienced or lived through").

Both of these are commonly grouped together and called Deja Vu.
The above is from the link I provided in my previous post

My explanation of Deja Vu is catching up with the moment....
A person never thinks of growing, picking, preparing the food or creating the silverware or cups, plates and bowls when they invite someone over for dinner...
In the same way we are only aware of a small portion of the "happenings" around us... Therefore, Deja Vu is when we lose the "ego/game" mentality and the moment becomes clear to us, as though we have experienced it before. Since time is pretty much our idea, we have entered a mind-frame where it dominates our senses, we touch something hot and it takes "time" to reach our brain, but then there are people who can pour molten steel on their tongue and have no physical/mental effects...

Deja Vu is a fearless, gameless state of mind, which I believe is how Jesus felt and lived all the time, and which the Buddha worked towards; provided you appreciate them.

Morning guys

Okay so we have established a more scientific link to dejavu. But I was hoping it would lean more
towards the supernatural path. So you say that it really happens in real time and is not a glimpse of the future.

I don't get it. There is a post currently on about "being killed in your sleep". Someone explained it as a future confrontation of some sort as an interpretation of the dream.

Now if our dreams can forsee this why can't dejavu have a similar power. I think that dejavu seems to be a more vivid and a stronger entity than dream interpretation (I stand to be corrected). We do use a small % of our brain's potential. if we were to unlock and gain access to total usage of our brain imagine how dejavu would be utilised to a it's full potential.

Now if dejavu happens within milliseconds in realtime while we are doing whatever we will recall as dejavu how come we have no recolection of it. There is time to record that brief moment of the present then present it to us as is we have had a vision from the future but still have no memory of how we remembered it.

Could Aliens be implanting hints into our brain. If this is the case then the dejavu experience that I had recently of me holding the fork with a sausage on it must of changed the event of the world for ever for them to want me to remember.

But still there will always be questions. Science is man made. Man has faults. So the way that I see it is that science is not always correct. Yes it has helped us alot but I will never trust it completley.

13/07/05 / South Africa / 09:10am (tea time)

Originally posted by DAF
Hi guys.

Can anybody explain how this works?
Is there really a science benind this or is it purely of a higher level?

If it is of a higher nature then if we could control it and manipulate it we could see the future. Going a bit overboard but I have been thinking about it for a while.

But then when we experience dejavu it mainly relates to ourselves. Not too sure about that. To me it seems that this experience is a personal one.

Any comments guys?

12/07/05 / South Africa / 15:28pm

Hi DAF

As Quantum Mechanics is sniffing around the "No Time" concept, in other words, everything is happening at the same time, Past, Future and Present, Deju Vu, is, to our understanding, Future Memory.
It occurrs with us all, as individuals much in the manner dreams do, in relation to parallel/past lives.
When you have a Deju Vu "moment", you are just experiencing the same moment that part of you has already experienced in another parallel life, hence, Future Memory.

Cheers

Malai5

Malai5

Interesting. So you say that it is not really science that has it's hand in dejavu.
That's good news. Parallel lives. I like the sound of that. So you said that in addition to my life I am living another life at the very same moment. Past life would be another time that has elapsed. Parallel implies both on the same path both or in opposites traveling in 180 degrees perfectly opposite each other (that should be the mathematical description of parallel objects). So 2 present lifes. How would we go about proving this? That it does exists.

If this is so then my master plan, (scary, howling laugh: hoo ha ha) sorry back on point, my master plan to try and utilise dejavu as a means of seeing the future (for good only)(hoo ha ha), sorry, should come true

If there are really parallel lives then surely there must be a way that we can intergrate with the other life seeing that it is intergrating with ours in the form of dejavu.

I'm glad to see alot of comments about this unique phenomenon that we all experience at some point in our lives. So thank you!

No back to work. These humans are pretty messy creatures. Look what I have to attend to.

Trough personal experience I utterly and totaly blow the repeated impulse and wrongfull indexing in the mind out of the water.

When I'm having dejavu feelings, I usualy have them about a whole conversation, at the start of the conversation, and as soon as I get the dejavu feeling, I start thinking and remembering how the conversation is going to go from there. Not once have I been wrong, knowing exactly what was going to be said, the intonation and the posture of the person I'm talking to. Often even with people I never met before in my life.

This combined with my rather extreme lucid dreaming, I can usualy remember when I dreamt that this would happen and what would be said, being it how many days/weeks ago or in some extreme cases, things I dreamt over 15 years ago that I now see unfolding in front of my eyes, with me being able to tell what will be said, by who and how.

A pitty I never had dejavu feelings or premonitions with big events ...

Kenshiro, I read your link and quote from it and is exactly what i am saying Dejevue is defined as. It is a familarity with a current moment you are expirencing. It is really not about seeing the future though. That would be a premonition you had at some point in time and then in a nother point in time you realize you are seeing the same thing you saw in the premontion so you are in a sense seeing the future. That is not dejevue though.
The 2 expirences you described that you had was a premontion and then a 6th sense. No big deal, just pointing out the difference.
DAF, dejevue if explained in the scientific theory is that the electric impulse is so quick you would not really be able to measure it so your mind interprets it as though you have already expirenced or are familar with a current expirence you are expirencing. That's why most people when they have dejevue say "whoa i'm having dejevue". Becuase they are thinking they have already somehow expirenced what they are currently expirencing.

I seem to go through Deja Vu phases, I'll have none for weeks, then I'll start getting it 6 or 7 times a day for a while. I personally love it, whatever it is, I always get slightly excited as soon as it starts happening. I also, quite annoyingly, start babbling just to notice that even though I'm talking random words I know they have already been spoken. If you get what I mean, I just like the feeling of my brain working differently for a few seconds.

Matrix, seeing an event in lucid dreaming is a premonition but has nothing to do with dejevue. You are not really blowing the scientific theory out of the water because they test people that have dejevue by asking them what they felt when they had it. Most if not all state that they sensed a familarness about a situation they are having but not that they knew the outcome of the given situation. In your case it could be that you are more perceptive then usual to a persons body language and know where the conversation is headed or you may actually be reading the person's mind to an extent.
The general consensus of dejevue is simply that it is a feeling of familarity of a current expirence someone is having. No big deal, but dejevue should not be confused with premontions or 6th sense feelings. They are all 3 different things that have simularities.

Originally posted by DAF
But I was hoping it would lean more towards the supernatural path.

It feels like I've been here before.

Nothing is "supernatural". Some things are just not understood.