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posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 11:57 PM
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In probably a few decades there may be a war fought in space, say if the war somehow came to infantry forces fighting each other, how do you think those soldiers would look, what weapons they would have, what protection they would have, and what country would have the best "Space Marine?" Personally i believe that the US would probably create the first "Space soldier" since they are far more advanced in space than other countries.




posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 12:02 AM
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He is one of six Army astronauts assigned to the U.S. Army Space and Missile Command’s NASA Detachment at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas.


Space Soldiers

More to follow, there was a thread earlier this year on the subject of the Army having an Officer in space.

The USARMY has a new MOS that I have been following since they were established.

Third Space Officer Course Graduates 20 New FA 40s
www.smdc-armyforces.army.mil...

[edit on 12-7-2005 by ADVISOR]



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 12:07 AM
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That's what HALO 1 and 2 were developed for.............an interactive training package!

BillyTheCat

[edited for spelling]

[edit on 12-7-2005 by ADVISOR]


M6D

posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 12:20 AM
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While Halo has its flaws in futuristic representation, i like the idea of a kinda powered armour, and all, however, not so sure about er....making your troops in to cyborgs, might cause problems when they retire :p



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 12:28 AM
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DARPA has been developing EXO power suits for some time. As for cyborgs retiring, I think not. there would be no reason to do so, some one who under went such augmentation chose to do so with the understanding of what they were getting into. The Army has a program for amputees to stay in the service as enhancement testers for the new artificial limbs.

There is more going on than people "need to know", just imagine all this info is what they want us to know. There is a reason for it, because even when they tell the truth, no one believes it. As often the truth is harder to believe, than the lies accepted by the ignorant.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 12:30 AM
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Yeah might cause a few folk to hesitate when thinking about joining up..........BUT would be excellent for retention!

Maybe they could develop an injection that would lower the guys happier to sign a form giving the military permission to turn them into a cyborg.

Obviously the powers that be would have to lie about what the men were actually being injected with.........you know......a bit like the first Gulf War???

BillyTheCat



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 12:37 AM
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Is this along the lines of Games Workshop "Space Marines"?

Power Armour suited Gentically enhanced Marines? The ones in GW are raised from toddler age and augmented with GM organs, cybernetic implants (and a healthy dose of "We Love the Emperor" brainwashing)



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 10:23 AM
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I have always been a bit more partial to these:


Fear the Wolf, Children of Kerensky! LOL I am such a Battletech dork!


/GW ripped off FASA!
//Eles ownes SM
///slashes are dumb



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 10:31 AM
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Some people call me a Space Marine..



Er..Wait...



Thats "Space Cadet" they call me



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by M6D
While Halo has its flaws in futuristic representation, i like the idea of a kinda powered armour, and all, however, not so sure about er....making your troops in to cyborgs, might cause problems when they retire :p

If you read the book, you find out actually the training and technology is quite impressive and not so hard to believe.
The "spartans" in halo are actually trained much like many of our own SF but a lot rougher, more like a western/spetznaz hybrid and add to the fact they are trained from age 4.
The armour is actually quite cool, it encorporates some technology in development.
Energy dispertment armour, stronger alloys, hardening gel and space program like food.



Originally posted by stumason
Is this along the lines of Games Workshop "Space Marines"?

Power Armour suited Gentically enhanced Marines? The ones in GW are raised from toddler age and augmented with GM organs, cybernetic implants (and a healthy dose of "We Love the Emperor" brainwashing)

This is not soo difficult to understand but more difficult to understand than the "spartan" idea.

The tehcnology in the space marines or adeptus astratus
is advanced and some is far fetched but most of it is quite understandable.

The genetic manipulation is being investigated, the armour is similar to spartans but more along the current tank armour than spartans idea.
The suit has targeting that I believe is being developed for future soldiers, the weapons are understable.
Bolters are simply bigger guns, flamers are well....easy to udnerstand, lasgun = lasers, plasma gun= directed plasma and rocket launchers are well self explanatory....


[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 01:46 PM
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lol

the SECOND I read the name of the thread I thought "WH40k addict.."

ahem sorry. had to get that out of my system. Id just like to know WHY anyone would want to take fights into space.. theres not much out there thats worth fighting over. Atleast, that we know of at the moment.

And Stumason your knowledge on space marine recruitment is off by a lot...

all hail the space marine codex.. ahem.

quote Codex: Space marines page 10

Each chapter recruits in its own way, be it by cimpetition, scrutiny under adversity or the most sacred rituals.

see, its plainly obvious that space marines arent raised when theyre toddlers. Unless youre ultramarines (BOOO!)


M6D

posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 01:54 PM
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I never erally said hard to believe, i was more so referring to what if every soldier was like that.....youd have problems with some who maybe went..insane? after all, not all have the conditioning that murder is normal, unlike spartans, so with their enhanced abilties, cyborg soldiers when they get to old would be...rather deadly even at that age, after leaving.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Catfish
lol

the SECOND I read the name of the thread I thought "WH40k addict.."

ahem sorry. had to get that out of my system. Id just like to know WHY anyone would want to take fights into space.. theres not much out there thats worth fighting over. Atleast, that we know of at the moment.

And Stumason your knowledge on space marine recruitment is off by a lot...

all hail the space marine codex.. ahem.

quote Codex: Space marines page 10

Each chapter recruits in its own way, be it by cimpetition, scrutiny under adversity or the most sacred rituals.

see, its plainly obvious that space marines arent raised when theyre toddlers. Unless youre ultramarines (BOOO!)


**Gets out ultramarines bolter*** "Heretic! Praise be the primarch!"

***sorry We are very sad people....***



Originally posted by M6D
I never erally said hard to believe, i was more so referring to what if every soldier was like that.....youd have problems with some who maybe went..insane?

Well in both cases the marines are drilled hard, any physological unbalance is detected and I believe means termination.




after all, not all have the conditioning that murder is normal, unlike spartans,

Actually its not murder, its defending yourself.


so with their enhanced abilties, cyborg soldiers when they get to old would be...rather deadly even at that age, after leaving.

Ah you see with both cases they never leave.
Spartans never die, they are listed as MIA.
Space marines die but some can be saved in a dreadnot.
Only one has cybernetic implants as far as I am aware, the other uses drugs.
Oh and genethearapy to make thier bones and stuff stronger.

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 05:32 PM
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Crazy Brits...

[size=0]For the Greater Good!



[edit on 12-7-2005 by PBscientist]



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 08:59 PM
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I brought up the idea of a space marine bc A. its cool and B. i was thinking of all the obstacles a space marine would have to overcome to work and fight in space. The list i made up is here:

1.) There is a vaccum outside the craft they are fighting in (or fighting around it) but they would have to have a suit that would be bulletproof and immensely strong to withstand debri oustide the craft they are attacking.
2.) With the vaccum one would also have to have an oxygen supply that could last at least several hours for prolonged fighting or even longer- this would also have to be armored. Also it would have to have an active heating and cooling system for extreme temperatures.
3.) Weapons- would one use a rifle or pistol? But say if you had hostages you couldnt risk the factor of the ship losing it pressure and killing everyone on board. maybe pressurized little needles that would be used for attacking? I thought of gas but they would probably have gas masks.
4.) fighting in the open say either in open space or on the moons surface: In wide outer space you would probably have to have a black camo that would make you hidden from observation that is sprayed on your Suit. You would have to use a recoil-less gun becuase of Newton's laws of physics. You would also have to have an acceleration pack or small ship to cruise you around. THis might be cooled on the outer surface to hide it from heat detectors. Now if you fought on the moon you would have to maybe have armored moon buggies and stuff like that.

Alright now you all name other problems you would think that would arise in fighting in space.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 09:23 PM
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Dont think there is such a thing as a gun with no recoil. Recoilless guns do have recoil surprisingly enough.

For real space combat you could just use incredibly small, maybe 1 or 2 mm projectiles and let explosive decompression do its things...


M6D

posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:20 AM
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Spartans all have neural inplants, this alone is debated to count as weither they are cyborgs or not, and yes, spartans have titanium wrapped around their bones, but only to a extent where they stengthen them tremendiously, but dont damage the bones, so the titatnium doesnt cover bones a 100 percent. Spartans also are like you said, genetically upgraded, but like i said
A normal man is not conditioned from birth, to find war, and killing in combat, acceptable, or part of everyday life unlike spartans. a normal man if he went through the same procedures, and your talking about terminating while in training...how the hell can you terminate someone whos left the army?!
not to mind the public outrage at that.



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by M6D
Spartans all have neural inplants, this alone is debated to count as weither they are cyborgs or not, and yes, spartans have titanium wrapped around their bones, but only to a extent where they stengthen them tremendiously, but dont damage the bones, so the titatnium doesnt cover bones a 100 percent. Spartans also are like you said, genetically upgraded, but like i said
A normal man is not conditioned from birth, to find war, and killing in combat, acceptable, or part of everyday life unlike spartans. a normal man if he went through the same procedures, and your talking about terminating while in training...how the hell can you terminate someone whos left the army?!
not to mind the public outrage at that.

The thing is though, nethier would leave the service.


M6D

posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:09 PM
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how couldnt they? when a soldier gets to old, whatcha gonna do with them huh?



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by M6D
how couldnt they? when a soldier gets to old, whatcha gonna do with them huh?


Well in both cases this happens:

A) Spartans serve until they die.

B) Space marines serve until they die.



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