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WAR WITH CHINA


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Topic started on 18-8-2003 @ 03:23 PM by blackwidow666


Charles R. Smith

Tuesday 14th August 2001

On the first day of WW3, the US lost two-thirds of its military and nearly half its population, yielding superiority to communist China. US orders of the day were high alert, and there is simply no evading the fact that we were not ready.

The Chinese rain of missiles on US installations and homeland cities was a military masterpiece. The People's Liberation Army Second Artillery Corp achieved complete surprise, armed only with a small force of more than 300 tactical and 10 strategic missiles.

Defenseless against the attack, US force in Hawaii, Alaska, South Korea and Japan were quickly overwhelmed by the guided warheads of the Chinese missiles. The bombs plunged out of the inky blackness of space, striking within seconds of each other. The rain of death fell swiftly upon a sleeping America with precise and devasting accuracy.

In a span of little more than 30 minutes, China wiped out Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, Chicago, Washington, Boston, New York, Hawaii, Manila, Seoul, Taipei and Tokyo.

China sank 5 US carriers, 7 Ohio class submarines, vaporized more than 200 MX and Minuteman missiles and destroyed more than 800 combat aircraft including 15 B-2 strategic bombers. The strikers also killer more than 100 million people without the loss of a single PLA soldier.

The Second Artillery succeeded by striking key US bases, warships and air fields with a swift and bold attack. The attack left China with 10 remaning strategic missiles and nearly 300 tactical missiles, holding the devastated US homeland hostage to another strike.

Despite the calls to retaliate, sending the scattered remains of US nuclear forces against China would not stop another attack on America, nor would it stop the PLA Generals who ordered the first.

There is no question that the US strategic missiles could devastate the Chinese homeland. Howeve, killing hundres of millions of innocent Chinese citizens would do little to deter the warlords in Beijing from launching the second wave of 10 missiles while remaining hidden inside bomb-proof tunnels.

China's sudden and brutal attack forced America to surrender to Beijing's terms. In little more than 48 hrs, China won World War 3.


No US Defense Against Attack


Thankfully that was all fiction writern by Charles R Smith back in 2001. But isnt it frightening how something could spiral right out of control and you couldnt do anything to stop that sort of thing from happening! The amount of lives that could easily be wiped out so fast, and the horror of living through it, would probably be worse.


For the rest of his report including:

"1,000 Nuclear Missiles by 2006"

"Illegal Missiles Exports to Parkistan"

"Rewarding Illegal Exports"

And

"No Calls For Sanctions"

www.newsmax.com...

I know its a bit long but though it was interesting, and that some others that hadnt seen it would also like to have a read.



blackwidow



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 03:34 PM by Seekerof


I would be much interested in reading the article blackwidow but link is not working.
And I can't seem to locate the article on newsmax but have found some other interesting ones in relation to your topic.

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seekerof



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 03:40 PM by Freddie


Very unlikely. China values America's trade. Without America's trade, they are the third world country that they should be. They are SLOWLY beginning to stop treating people like resources and giving them respect. It helps when people tell mainlanders about sites that are not blocked by the CCP yet. When enough people have exposure to how the free world lives, I think, China will be forced to change it's ways. BTW, I may be moving to SH next year!



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 03:44 PM by Thomas Crowne


I read the White Paperson China's military direction and goal for the next few years. Don't rely on them to concentrate on our cash forever. It is already getting them where they want to be.



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 03:44 PM by blackwidow666


Seekerof

I know I just tried clicking on the link as well, and got nothing, so what I did was.

Typed in newsmax.com, got through alright then, clicked on archives, and typed in " war with china, Tuesday Aug 14 2001", down at the bottom of the list found the article.

sorry about that, dont know why it wouldnt go through, as I did check that I had the right link and it is?????

confused?


blackwidow


ps: try this www.newsmax.com...

[Edited on 18-8-2003 by blackwidow666]



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 03:50 PM by Seekerof


Yes maam, just found it...thank you.

regards
seekerof



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 03:52 PM by Freddie



Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I read the White Paperson China's military direction and goal for the next few years. Don't rely on them to concentrate on our cash forever. It is already getting them where they want to be.


Didn't Marx say something about the capitalists selling the rope for their own nooses? I sincerelly hope it does not come to war, and doubt it will. Look at how China is pressuring Kim Jong-Il to stop being a jerk. Of course I believe much of that is lip service. I have many relatives and friends in China and I really wish it was a better place to live. As I said, I may be moving to Shanghai next year to boot.



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 03:59 PM by Seekerof


Interesting article, especially in mentioning Clinton's implications and application to this "threat."

My only question to this whole things is: Even if this was a first strike by China, how would detection be avoid or evaded and a US response not given minutes later after confirmation of China missile launches?

regards
seekerof



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 04:01 PM by Gazrok


It'd likely go something more like this....

Military planners in China were stunned when 95% of the missiles launched in yesterday's surprise attack, detonated harmlessly in space. Though some missiles did get through, few struck their intended targets, but still caused major damage and fallout, the American counter-strike was devastating, destroying major military and industrial targets. The Chinese attempted to follow-up with a second strike, but found that the missile systems did not respond. Word has been slow, getting out of China, but it appears that 3/4 of the Chinese military is no longer considered combat-effective....



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 04:11 PM by Freddie


China has some ICBM's, but most of their nuclear weapons are short-ranged, targetting Japan and Taiwan. If they attacked either nations, America would strike back overwhelmingly. Dispite my intense dislike of the CCP, I think they are "somewhat" sane.



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 04:13 PM by blackwidow666


Yer, I was thinking along the same line's actually.

How could a country fire off that many missiles without any detection from the target?

And also, there's usually a mole somewhere letting out the news, that they were going to do something like that, wouldnt there?

All this is doing is giving more questions and not enough answers?


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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 04:14 PM by Seekerof


Gaz...thats a likely scenerio though I believe some of China's missile would get through...I concur.

Just looked at some numbers:
The US has 70,000+/- nukes in a variety of delivery forms...
The Chinese have roughly 3,000+/- nukes in delivery forms....

I can see the plausibility of the "scenerio" but the parameters elude me on how the article has no way of explaining off a "non-detection" phase...

regards
seekerof

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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 04:19 PM by blackwidow666


Very good ponit there Seekerof, all the way through the article it doesnt mention once about any sort of detection, or why it happened. (even though it was made up etc etc, he should have thought it out more)



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 04:22 PM by Freddie


Perhaps one or two would get through, causing horrific casualties on American soil. America would completely destroy BJ and SH immediatelly afterwards. But I still believe the CCP is not completely nuts and would never do such a thing. They value their trade interests more. The Communists turging Capitalist? Give China 10 years. I love China and America.



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 04:27 PM by Seekerof


From what I can gather from the article is that perhaps it was written to defend or support the idea of creating a Missile Defence Program, which was transpiring at the time the article was written.

I have been and still am a major believer in M.A.D.
This scenerio is a plausible one minus the "non-detection" issue. And China...to date....has been certainly buying the hell out of a wide variety of Russian military equipment, in ALL forms, including ICBM's.

I just can't believe that China would simply ignore the lesson's learned from the Cold War.....
If China ever did try to take Taiwan, China knows that the US would commit to Taiwan's defense....how much...that remains to be seen and to how much "force" would be determined would also remain to be seen. All-in-all, I think the US would eventually give Taiwan over to China if it started looking as if it would turn into another "end of the world" situation. Then again....that remains uncertain.
BTW: its good to see you back Freddie.

regards
seekerof


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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 04:29 PM by Freddie



Originally posted by Seekerof
From what I can gather from the article is that perhaps it was written to defend or support the idea of creating a Missile Defence Program, which was transpiring at the time the article was written.

I have been and still am a major believer in M.A.D.
This scenerio is a plausible one minus the "non-detection" issue. And China...to date....has been certainly buying the hell out of a wide variety of Russian military equipment, in ALL forms, including ICBM's.

I just can't believe that China would simply ignore the lesson's learned from the Cold War.....
If China ever did try to take Taiwan, China knows that the US would commit to Taiwan's defense....how much...that remains to be seen and to how much "force" would be determined would also remain to be seen. All-in-all, I think the US would eventually give Taiwan over to China if it started looking as if it would turn into another "Cuban Missile Crisis" situation. Then again....that remains uncertain.

regards
seekerof


You and I are on the same plane. The CCP is corrupt, but not suicidal.



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 05:20 PM by SilverDeath


Would the US launch those feared Trident missles that are in their subs? Dude they can wreak the entire country with one.



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 05:28 PM by jetsetter


They could never do it.



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 05:31 PM by Freddie


The US at all times has enough nuclear warheads on boomers to destroy the entire planet. That is part of the reason why China will not # with America.



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reply posted on 18-8-2003 @ 05:36 PM by infinite


i really can't see China attacking America. What they would fear is America allies, America would get more if they were attacked. China is smart and wouldn't risk attacking America.



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