Poll: The Truth of 9-11

I'm going with C unfortunately. Then the next obvious option is B, they clearly ignored warnings from other coutnries and lied they never envisioned something like that happening, when they were already running drills on how to combat it.

[edit on 11-7-2005 by Seoul On Ice]

Apparently, and unbeknown to you, there are some of us here that believe that that has yet to be conclusively proven...

Spare me the "blind" and "ignorant" speech.
Your belief is your own, just as my belief is my own.




seekerof

Unbeknown to me? I'm on thin ice here with a last warning and an invitation to walk - since 7/7
Still I would submit 9/11 is conclusively proved
And 7/7 could be subject to the same scrutiny
Netanyahu, the morning exercise, the bus video camera off, the professional explosives and devices, Blair wants no inquiry just like Bush- you know all these typical occurrences
www.onlinejournal.com...
Is this taking off-topic - imo no - it's the same forces doing the same thing for the same reasons


[edit on 11-7-2005 by dh]

C. Inside Job

Too many discrepancies and logical flaws for me to believe otherwise.

Curious, wecom, what ya going to do with the tally?
Is this out of just curiosity?
Looking for numbers for referrance in posts?
Will I be labeled a dissenter & a threat to national security, subsequently be put in jail?
Cause I'll tell ya now ............... I'LL GO FIGHTING !!!! heh

Bush is the Prez
Think Patriot Act II
This outspoken dissedent
In jail I'll be soon!

Sorry, had a rush there, lol

Misfit

B. I think they knew SOMETHING was coming, but not when/where/what.

C.

The war had started 10 years before with systematic bombings of hospitals and military installations. Not since the times of the Soviet Union had we seen such a thorough, almost genocidal, covert war preparation. This was a long term operation, unstoppable, and just needed a direct cause to set it rolling.

From a terrorist's point of view it makes no sense: why provoke one of the most dangerous nations in the world and give them a pretext to occupy the motherland of Islam?

Then there is the rest, mainly:
Evidence of controlled demolition (a question of probability of three buildings falling perfectly vertically).
Carting away of the debris (hide the evidence).
Immediate linking of 911 with Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda with Iraq (today proven false).
Unexplainable unanimity (initially) of all the members of NATO (issues are only so clear-cut when they are the result of lies and a watershed of propaganda).

Okay, here's the tally to date (last member surveyed - Misfit):

A. Accept the Official Story: Tinkleflower, cownosecat, deltaboy, Boatphone, djohnsto77, WestPoint23, microcosm

B. Had Prior Knowledge: xmotex, maidenwolf (default to B - benefit of the doubt), infinite, Umbrax, Curio, Seekerof

C. Inside Job: syntaxer, NoJustice, Hunting Veritas, Sauron, Lordling, lost, DiRtYDeViL, PsychevolvedApe, mrmulder, thematrix, dh, AdamJ, PurityOfPeace, AlwaysLearning, whaaa, Seoul On Ice, wecomeinpeace, Misfit



If I've missed or misrepresented anyone's choice, or miscalculated the statistics, please let me know. Anyone after Misfit I will add to the next update.

Please U2U anyone you know who is interested in the topic so we can get as broad an ATS demographic as possible.

[edit on 2005-7-11 by wecomeinpeace]

Definately B,
The Bush admin would never risk being caught planning such a plot that could easily crumble. Especially so early in this term. The pentagon lost 125 people in the attack. If they help plot it then why did they wait like sitting ducks. I've seen people with hands melted off and faces permanetly deformed from these attacks. If I was waiting for a car driving at 500 mph to crash into my house, what would I do in my spare time?

anyway thats my pick.

Originally posted by Misfit
Curious, wecom, what ya going to do with the tally?

Will I be labeled a dissenter & a threat to national security, subsequently be put in jail?

Yes, now shoosh!

Ok, I'll be clearer....I'll take C.

Definitly C.

I'll go with the arguments laid down by "in plane sight".

if B or A is known for sure, i'll accept it, but right now I think Dubya is crazy enough to attack his own country, Northwood style...

Put me down for B. Had prior knowledge.

I still think C is still a stretch, and too speculative, but possible.

It's C

but it's not as clear cut as that.

I think personally Bush would be falling somewhere around B, Cheney would be a C Major, but as far as the intelligence communities around the world, CIA, Mossad, ISI, it's a resounding Capital C, no doubt. Doesn't mean everyone with a CIA paycheck knows anything but elements within the CIA know all.
Head of CIA meeting with head of ISI in Pakistan, May 2001, who then transfered $100,000 to Atta before the attacks and recieved $15,000 back the day before and both agencies meetin on Sept 11th in America. Pakistan gets money and weapons, CIA gets to keep their secret and reporters who have been investigating this link have wound up dead.

A is for the guliable, Patriots who know little about how the world works.
B is the saftey net of the Government, pled ignorance as a last resort.
C gets people killed.

Like JFKs death, it will run throught A and B until eventually the only common sense answer will be C without a doubt and like JFK, it will led right back to the CIA organising the event and the Secret Service making it run on the day.

I'd say as a collective we are well into Phase B as a whole and thank to the internet, it hasn't taken 20 years to get to this point like JFK did, hopefully C comes around before the next 20 years it took for JFK.

Wecomeinpiece you do a great job filling in the cracks of what was 9/11 and for that you are getting my way above vote.

Sorry my vote comes late but I say it's the big C

If I somehow misunderstood the poll, my voting C means that I believe that it was a crime commited by the government of the USA.

Um...

ME!

I said "B"

Not A. A buzzy little Bee instead. Not making "ay".

Ok, I need to sleep, obviously.....oy!

Chalk me up as an "A"

I enjoy reading all of the conspiracy threads...but when it comes down to it, 911 was just what we were told it was.

C

1. The government is quite capable of perpetuating an event like 9-11 and has done similar things in the past. We are just chattle. They want to reduce the population. The loss of a few thousand Americans means nothing to them. Because the big picture is population reduction and control of what's left of the worlds resources (oil). The Earth is dying due to our miss management of it, and they know. The powers that be believe what they are doing is good for the Human Race. But as far as they are concerned we are chattle, not part of their Human Race. They put us to work for them, just like we put animals to work for us. And just like with cattle they think nothing of slaughtering us. Cold, calculated, deceptive, uncle sam...

2. If it wasn't an inside job then there would be no secrets, no questions, no confusion of events, no suppressing of evidence or witnesses, no contradictions of the official events.

3. If they didn't have anything to hide, then they would answer the sticky questions. But of course there wouldn't be any awkward questions to ask if it all went as they say. There wouldn't be a billion contradictions.

AP&F...

definitely A. because the government never lies.
definitely B. because bush is a walking database of information, a veritable library of congress, a well honed super-detective. kinda like columbo. codumbo, perhaps?

of course, i'm kidding,

will the real billybob answer police state your case......

[size=18]C.

if we're going to jail for knowing, er, 'suspecting' the truth, it looks like they might need more prisons. LOTS more.

Originally posted by billybob

if we're going to jail for knowing, er, 'suspecting' the truth, it looks like they might need more prisons. LOTS more.

That new-fangled GITMO that Halliburton's gonna build can be used for starters! They can also put 'em in the old GITMO and send some over to Abu Ghraib as well.

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning

Originally posted by billybob

if we're going to jail for knowing, er, 'suspecting' the truth, it looks like they might need more prisons. LOTS more.

That new-fangled GITMO that Halliburton's gonna build can be used for starters! They can also put 'em in the old GITMO and send some over to Abu Ghraib as well.

good point. there's also some prison boats that are quite large, i hear. and then there's all those empty concentration camps(that don't exist).

still, mass graves are cheaper.

bye bye and have a nice afterlife, 50-80% of the people.

C.

1) There is no way that a hijacked plane could have taken as long as it did straying across the most secure air space in the world without consequence.

2) The WTC buildings did not come down from those petty fires, let alone like this:



3) The Israelis and certain Pentagon employees, among others, received advanced warnings of the attacks. Ariel Sharon even cancelled a speech he was going to give in NYC that day.

4) At least two of the suspected hijackers have been confirmed by the BBC to be still alive.

5) Osama Bin Laden himself denied involvement on the 28th of September, 2001, saying he believed it was either Israel or a faction within the US that carried out 9/11 in his opinion. The controversial tapes only popped up later, one of them allegedly a home video found sitting on a shelf in the basement of a single building, in a bombed-out city. The facial features of Osama in those tapes did not match authentic photos of the man.

6) There was a 9000% spike in put options for United Airlines stock between Sept. 6th and 10th. There was a 6000% spike in American Airlines put options. The put options were made anonymously. How in the hell do you play the stock market anonymously? There was an estimated $15 billion made from those purchases, total.

7) The event was exactly what the Bush Admin needed to get into war in the Mid-East. It has since been used painfully often in speeches and propoganda for these wars, as well as for controversial domestic issues (ie, Patriot Act).

8) All crucial evidence that would prove or disprove government involvement has been either destroyed, classified, or is missing.

9) The cell phone calls allegedly made on Flight 93 were pretty much impossible at their altitude. Cell phones rarely work at 10,000 feet. Flight 93 was at 30,000 feet when the calls were made, and no problems were reported. There were also oddities with who was called, and the often mechanical manner in which things were said (bad acting ).

10) Flight 93 was likely shot down going by both debris and witness testimony.

11) Cheney had direct communication with all relative government agencies from a bunker as 9/11 was taking place.

12) Secret Security did not immediately escort Bush to safety from his well-publicized location. Rather, they hung around with Bush eight minutes after "learning" of the terrorist attacks taking place, allowing Bush to continue to read to the children, and then hung around for the better part of an hour before they even left the school. Pretty sloppy.

Then there's this:

And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it."

Meaning either (a) he has a memory failing to the point of being senile, (b) the Secret Service had access to a hidden camera focused on that building, or (c) he was lying.

13) A huge scandal was successfully suppressed:

On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions."

To suppress that scandal of an unprecedented amount of missing money would require foreknowledge of the events that would take place the next morning. I find it unlikely that the Bush Admin was ready to take the media full-on with admitting that information. Go 9/11!

14) The lawn on the Pentagon was combed, and cameras removed from the area, within minutes of the attack.

The FBI also promptly scoured the surroundings of the Pentagon to make sure there would be no public airing of any video of the attack. Agents reportedly seized video from both the nearby Sheraton National Hotel and NexComm/Citgo gas station within minutes of the attack. Helicopter footage not seized by the FBI shows an organized group of well-dressed people combing the Pentagon's lawn, also within minutes of the attack.

I could go on, but I really don't think there's much point. There is too much information. C.

[edit on 11-7-2005 by bsbray11]