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WAR: "American Hiroshima"

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posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 08:25 PM
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Hmmm, WorldNutDaily. Is this still considered a source?




posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 08:37 PM
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It doesn't make sense. Think about it: Why would MS-13 want to smuggle terrorists, who were planning on destroying the U.S., into the U.S.?

It doesn't make sense for MS-13. MS-13 NEEDS the U.S. Without the U.S., they have no stomping ground or breeding ground for gang/criminal activity. So, what ultimate purpose does it serve? None.

If they did that, they deserve to be the first nuked, since it's just plain stupid of them to agree to that, even for enough money (which AQ doesn't have).

Even if they DID, the response to major nuclear attacks on the U.S. would end the world as we knew it. The U.S. would launch it's literally THOUSANDS of nuclear warheads against these guys. The world would be polluted, destroyed, and altered beyond belief. The world as we know it would be over.

Thanks, but no thanks. This is just fear tactics.

Al-Qaeda knows that. That's what TERRORism is - fear. They know if they completely destroyed some parts of the U.S., foreign relations and policies would take a back seat - even moreso than now. You think the U.S. is being imperialistic right now? Wait 'til this happened - the world would be scared sh*tless - and that's just the plain truth.

-wD



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 08:39 PM
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Do not underestimate the capabilities of al Qaeda to carry out its goals at any given opportunity. It is unfortunate that some of you failed to realize that it doesn't matter what Western government or nation, be it democratic or socialist along with the Western ways and social conditions mean anything to the fanatics that see 'em as the anathema to everything that Islam represents.

It does NOT matter to al Qaeda and its fanatical followers of Islam whether YOU are a part of the Western (or American) society or support the liberalization of modern civilization to benefit everyone!!To them, you are an infidel to Islam until you convert to it by choice or by force.

Stop making passive excuses or skirting the issues for something you do not truly understand!



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 08:45 PM
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webDevil, MS-13 is from El Salvador and is the byproduct of the violent gang activity in El Salvador's civil war in the 1980s.

The history of MS-13.

If al Qaeda members have been talking to the members of MS-13, you can bet that money talks.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 08:49 PM
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It does NOT matter to al Qaeda and its fanatical followers of Islam whether YOU are a part of the Western (or American) society or support the liberalization of modern civilization to benefit everyone!!


How many of these fanatical followers do you think there are? I just wanted to point out that it really is a small part of the Muslim world.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 09:37 PM
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Jamuhn, IT DOESN'T MATTER how many or how small, they're all part of the same problems!!!


Get that through your dang skull!



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 09:56 PM
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It doesn't matter if there are 10, 20, 100, or 10,000. All it takes is ONE determined to pull off an attack, and do the most damage he can possibly do.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:00 PM
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Surely how many there are is one of the most important factors of such a thing?

Do they reprosent 1%, 10%, 0.1% of the Islamic World? Do they reprosent 1% of the whole world? List goes on.

In reality, the more the are, harder it is to protect us - so the numbers are important. :|



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:04 PM
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Foreign fighters have been committing suicide bombing attacks in Iraq in record numbers. One goes down, another takes his place, then another, then another.... in different places.

It doesn't have to be one determined terrorist but several to pull it off for the most damages or impacts.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:53 PM
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Yeah, thanks for giving some info I already had. All you gave me was some history on it. What I said still stands. Think about it. The MS-13 crime organization THRIVES off of the U.S. like it does off no other in the world. Without the U.S., they're endeavor collapses, they can no longer filter into street gangs, hence their ultimate goal of making money collapses. Sure, take a bribe for a couple million might help in the short distance, but you have to think about the long run.

What I said still stands, it be completely idiotic of them to do this. Simple as that.

-wD



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:56 PM
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BTW: You're talking about not underestimating Al-Qaida, but how about we don't put too much credit into them as well? Sure, they're a criminal organization, big deal? They had their entire operation in Afghanistan crushed in a matter of months. Don't seem to strong to me.

Either way, even they wouldn't do this. If they did, like I said, the response towards the world, from the U.S., would be unprecedented. You all seem to be putting to much faith in AQ and not enough in the U.S. If the U.S. was nuked with FORTY nukes, the response would be simply incredible. Every nation that had even a thread of connection to a terrorist organization would be simply bombed to hell. Nuked even. They have forty? We have thousands. Begin the destruction. Simple as that.

The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. We gave 'em two atomic bombs up the arse. They killed 3,000. We killed hundreds of thousands.

Now multiple that by about 10,000 and you'll have the U.S. response to forty nuclear detonations on its' soil. Anything other than that will not happen. With Bush, that kind of destruction would be the end of any nation that has ever dealt with anyone involved. It's really that simple. Politics, foreign relations, and the like would be out the window. Think about it.

-wD



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:57 PM
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I don't know the exact numbers you want, but the extremists represent a very small percentage of the total Muslim population. Probably no more than 2-3% or so, at the most. But that's just my guess.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 11:08 PM
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So WorldNutDaily is now considered a reputable source and it's a now a solid fact that Al Queda has WMDs now? Riiiight, more scare tactics coming from the newest BushCo propoganda arm ATSNN.Com way to go voting blocs
/sarcasm if there was any story more worth of Political Conspiracies category on ATS then this is it hardly newsworth as these "reports" and "rumours" have been floating around since before 9/11. Puh-leeze. Would you think if there was an actual credible threat of this nature do you people actually think they would tell you about it until after it happened so they could say they didn't know only to have it blow up in their face months or years later say they actually did know but didn't do enough either through overconvidance, lack of info or incompentance? If caught with their pants down they would just say it's due to holdover Clintonites in the FBI or some such



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 11:29 PM
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Everyone keeps speaking about America "nuking" them.

But who? Britain, Ireland, America, Mexico, Australia, Spain all have terrorists? Should we nuke them? Or are you saying Nuke the Middle East because they are Muslims and some of the terrorists are?



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 11:37 PM
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It's ALWAYS been the policy of the US that if a WMD is used against our forces or cities, we will respond in kind. The ONLY WMDs we have left are nukes, so we WILL nuke SOMEBODY, it's just a question of who and where. I HOPE we would look at the evidence, figure out who did it, where the nuke came from, an dhit back with minimal force (1 for 1).



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 11:47 PM
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this isn't funny and should not be joked about. I hope to God , Father almighty creator of earth that this is not true.

this is horrible and if it is true....

Dona Nobis Pacem



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 01:29 AM
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Ok time for a reality check everyone.

Note: One Nuclear Bomb detonated on U.S. soil (even if it comes from the damned government itself) will result in nuclear winter and the death of 60-85% of the population if not more because of the resulting military response. Say hello to World War III, the end of the world, Armageddon, (whatever you wanna call it) for me. You will either be in the mandatory US/World army fighting to defeat any and all who resemble or think within the same political spectrum as a "terrorist" in order to salvage whats left of your world that you unwittingly ruined yourself by your own greedy and self-indulgent nature. Or you will be dead from the fallout which would seem like a better choice considering the former.

I would ask only one question. Cui Bono? Who benefits? The terrorists? They have succeeded in mobilizing the REST OF THE PLANET TO HUNT THEM DOWN or the people in charge of the governments who now wield unmatched draconian powers in order to subdue those who THEY label as terrorists.

Thank God such devious intentions are beyond the scope of the good people in charge of this planet.

*swallows blue pill, goes back to wonderland except that wonderland has been harboring thought criminals and terrorists and is about to be invaded by coalition forces*



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 03:04 AM
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As the saying goes

Not if but when .........................IT WILL HAPPEN even if its a hundred years from now.
Just by fighting these guys in IRAQ & Afganistan they have what they want.- A cause fight the invaders.....

IRAN just lie down open the doors and let US in- and save some lives
Cos this is what it is all about !! In my opinion -



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 03:15 AM
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I suppose now would be a good time to start buttering up my aussie friends. I may need sponsorship to become a citizen. Not to sound like a coward, but if Los Angeles disappears I'm going to be awfully hard-up for employment. Not to be crude, but I have always wondered what it would be like to play Fallout for real. (fallout being a post-nuclear adventure game)

I've heard a rumor that we're prepared to nuke Mecca if they nuke us, and that we've made this clear through back channels. I don't know if that's believable, or if it would work. The Romans tried a similiar tactic with Judaism. A couple thousand years later, Judaism still exists and the Roman Empire does not... there could be a lesson there.

Anyway, I think wait and see is the answer. I'm not prepared to freak out and move to the mid west just because somebody might be thinking about attacking us- even if we're talking about a very serious attack. Seeing as I've heard "99 LuftBallons" a couple of times today (and understand the words- even though I don't actually speak German) I figure that fear could be just as dangerous as the weapons themselves.


My only real regret is that I doubt we'd give Russia what they so richly deserve if their nukes get used against us.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by RebelSaint
Ok time for a reality check everyone.



the us , without a valid target , wouldn`t start throwing nukes around as if they are firecrackers - say the rio grande valley is detroyed - the government wouldn`t just `press the button` , an invetigation would take place first , BEFORE the hammer fall.

And what of prevailing winds? neither of the other powers in the world want a radioactive cloud floating over there territory - and since russia and china could retaliate by hitting back , do you really want a senario where `competance is high` that there is massive incoming?

www.johnstonsarchive.net...

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