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American Hiroshima

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posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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Jeez, this getting monotonous skippytjc.

I simply asked you to provide evidence of this alleged "Agenda of Hate" and you go off accusing me of not adding to the thread. I am still waiting for the evidence that you still have not provided to back up your assertions.

You have shown your ignorance already so there's nothing more to say on the matter




posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Britguy
Jeez, this getting monotonous skippytjc.

I simply asked you to provide evidence of this alleged "Agenda of Hate" and you go off accusing me of not adding to the thread. I am still waiting for the evidence that you still have not provided to back up your assertions.

You have shown your ignorance already so there's nothing more to say on the matter


THANK YOU!!

Finally he realised had nothing to say and shut up. Now we can get away from the hate and start talking about the topic again. *whew*



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 03:51 PM
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every 4th of july, every new year's eve and every 9/11 anniversary i have asked myself, "is this when we get nuked?" because i refuse to believe that there has not been an ongoing attempt by terrorists to procure nuclear bombs or material....which IS for sale to begin with, and we've all heard dick cheney's "not if but when" comment. SPEAKING of which......what if alex jones had said that? well, it wasn't him it was dick cheney......


we are rapidly approaching the 4 year mark since the WTC attacks and i have to say that SO FAR the cross-eyed optimists were right.
but something tells me to be ready, to get out of dodge.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 03:51 PM
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apoligie accepted Bodrul.

I always knew you were a decent Man. The fact of the matter is Americans tend to "re-act" strongly to an attack and if theres no target (as you mentioned) Im afraid alot of (innocent) Muslims in America are gonna be rounded up and shipped home and......

The countries that have supported terrorism for decades (Syria and Iran) will pay a horrible price for their past deeds. I knwo it sounds cruel, but thats the way the ball bounces.

PS: I retract the stupid flamebait I made earlier "Muslims will drop to their knees and beg for Americas forgiveness"

Max

[edit on 033131p://111 by LA_Maximus]



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Djarums
You have yours, I have mine. Learn to respect it. It'll do you good.
[edit on 7-11-2005 by Djarums]

Faux Pas. You called me out and I answered.

Edit:
And as to the relevance of my post, if you don't like a weed, you kill the roots, not the blossoms.

[edit on 11-7-2005 by twitchy]



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 03:56 PM
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I suspect terrorists will get nukes, and they will be from Pakistan.
I don't think Musharraf would go for it himself, but they might get them behind his back/over his dead body. Pakistan's defense-industrial complex is riddled with supporters of OBL and the like.

I don't think the have them already.
Nukes are a "use it or lose it" hot-potato type item, if they get them, they'll put them to use ASAP, of that I have no doubt.

I don't think Iran is going to start handing out nukes even if they get them.
They're nutty but not that nutty. Ditto with NK.
I think the Iranians nukes are primarily intended as a deterrent against the Israelis.
The North Koreans' a deterrent against us, and Japan.
(They have a real bug up their butts about Japan)

As for the rumors of loose Russian weapons, I think they are just that, rumors.

[edit on 7/11/05 by xmotex]



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 04:16 PM
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Has any body seen ' The sum of all fears' its just what this topic is all about, watch it if you are into this kind of thing.

Its just talk and propagander, the FBI should know more about this than what we do, its their job. So if it was that bad then America would be on white hot alert and have massive illegal imigration to Canada and Mexico in the process by now.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by bodrul

i almost fell off my chair for a secound after reading this


your birds will launch

some americans need a reality check

if the US uses nukes they will get nuked back by other coutries
causing nuclear fallout ( which sadly means killing all life on earth )




Originally posted by LA_Maximus
After Iran and Syria get vaporized, The remaining Muslims will drop to their knees begging for America's forgivness.....because once America gets angry, No One can stop us.

Maximu§


do everyone a small faver get your head out of your right side
as i said no country would use nukes ( and we can say thank god that countries dont have nut cases like your self in power )

go back to school

edit: how old are you?

[edit on 11-7-2005 by bodrul]


I think YOU need a reality check.

If 40 nukes go off in the US, we have literally THOUSANDS of nuclear warheads that can land in the middle east with LITERALLY the push of a button.

Who would retaliate against us? Russia? Do you really think Russia would care if we nuked the # out of the middle east? They are just as much a problem to Russia as they are to the US. China? HA! They have under 100 nuclear warheads? Do you think they care about the Muslim world? Would they risk nuclear retaliation by the US? Of course not. France? Don't make ME laugh. Isreal? Nope. They will be singing long live America after we take out their enemies. India? nope. Packistan can't hit us. The UK? nope.

If 40 nukes were to go off, killing 50+ MILLION people, you don't think the American people will demand retaliation? You better pray to your God that your nut case fellow Muslims don't have nukes, because I PROMISE if they set even ONE off in the US it will be the end of the middle east as you know it. If 40 go off, it will be turned to sheets of sand.

And after that, I PROMISE you once again that every Arab and Muslim in Europe will be rounded up.

You may not like it, and it may not be right, but thats what would happen.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 06:44 PM
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This is old news. I downloaded this link about a year ago. It sounds like someone took the story and elaborated on it.

Link

Not saying it isn't true, but I agree that if OBL and/or AQ had these they would have used them long ago. I also have a problem with someone using this kind of propaganda to make a buck. He asks for donations.

No, I think it is another badly crafted ploy to try to keep the masses running scared and begging our benevolent governments to save us.

Thanks

Aldarion



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:18 PM
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Well I read this thread and first, yes there is another source.....you might not like it, but the sources are legit imho....

Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S.
Terrorists, bombs smuggled across Mexico border by MS-13 gangsters


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.

LINK


But yet there is more...


Al-Qaida's nuclear plot
Posted: July 11, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Al-Qaida not only has nuclear weapons – lots of them – but the terrorist organization has used the lax U.S.-Mexico border security to smuggle them and their sleeper agents into this country for the purpose of killing millions of Americans, destroying the U.S. economy and, in effect, winning its war against the West.


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Its the key words in these links that spook me, does the word Nuclear Blackmail mean anything to you? You peace nicks have to understand that you can not negotiate with these sob's, you just can't.

The attitude that they don't have them or would be stupid to use them is very naive at best. The Russians already know that they have 'lost' some. I have another thread somewhere that discusses the tritium triggers needed. Can we spot them from a satellite? Ever heard of lead?


It will not make me feel any better to tell the tulipwalkers that "I told you so" and as a matter of fact I HOPE you can tell me that, but alas this is serious.

Why haven't they exploded them yet? I am not sure but patience is a hallmark of these assholes. What can they be waiting for? Well lets just say that you nor I know what is going on behind the scenes but you can bet your ass that the Syria's and Iran's of the world have been put on notice and that was PRE-911! So you think about that and ask yourself, just how confident you are that they don't have them here, you would be willing to take that chance?



[edit on 11-7-2005 by edsinger]



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:31 PM
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I highly doubt Mara Salvatrucha has the resources to pull this off. After all the consequences far out exceed the benefits (Which there are none is the case of nukes). This is a chicano street gang and being chicano myself i know what these guys deal in and transporting nukes is way out of there league.


cjf

posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by Sand_man
I highly doubt Mara Salvatrucha has the resources to pull this off.


The ‘core’ elements of MS-13 such as ex-guerillas from the FMLN and ‘break always/turn coats’ from the early ‘Sombra Negra’ of El Salvador and residual elements of the ‘extremist’ FMLN paramilitary currently found inside Honduras as well as El Salvador (and not the peripheral street gangs such as found in Los Angeles, USA) are easily capable of such an act. The group is known to be somewhat organized throughout Central America, very active, very capable and very connected. This is the MS-13 the US State Department believes may have been approached by ‘Al Qaida’ and the like for such a job.

Moreover; fissionable material is all that is lacking. All the components and technical ‘know how’ to build a basic nuclear detonation device already exist in the United States and are only in need of assembly; there is no need to transport the entire bomb, only the required quantity of fissionable material.

There is a logistical credence to this type of threat to the United States as well as other countries.

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posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 01:11 AM
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There have been several comments regarding when AQ would use a nuke if they had it. Most seem to think it would be immediately after obtaining it and not waiting.

My thought on that is different. As an American I believe most of us think in very short time frames. When you talk to average Joe on the street they seem to think most history started around 1776. We have very short memories and attention spans. I believe that AQ often looks upon events hundreds of years in the past for justification of actions today (the Crusades come to mind). They veiw history in the thousands of years category. With that I personally do not find it unbelievable that they would see waiting 4 or more years as much more than a short time. The planning for 9/11 was years in the making, why would the planning for a larger attack be any different.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 02:46 AM
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Skippy,

This thread is racist, fearmongering propaganda of the most insidious kind.

Why target on group (Muslims) when you can target several (Muslims, Mexicans, immigrants, Russians etc)

Your contentions in this thread are repeatedly contradictory with little or no basis in fact.

Opinion is OK as long as you realise it is only that. However, when you attempt to pass off opinion, conjecture and WAGing as fact.

Cheers

BHR



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by Djarums
Yeah that's what I thought.

Well, like I said thanks for the advance notice.

Al-Qaeda is considered legitimate by the vast majority of this planet.

You feel it's really the Jews.

No problem.

Other people don't have to believe that.

And get off the holier than thou "don't be scared" stuff. It hasn't been asked for and will be better served elsewhere.

Newsflash: I don't HAVE to buy into your theory. And my not buying into your theory doesn't make me "scared".

You have yours, I have mine. Learn to respect it. It'll do you good.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Djarums]


i think his theorys about alquada are perfectly reasonable
he thinks its the zionist and mossad
i think its the CIA
and you think its arabs

we all have a right to think whatever we want
so i do think its kinda unfair you come down on him like that

anyways, about the Topic
The Department of Homeland Security has very sophiticated detector devices at thier disposal

i think they have installed over 1000 detectors by now all over the place
i also read they were having problems with 'false positives' like a person who just had cancer therapy was glowing lol
and there were alot of other mundane objects literally glowing with radiation
even some toilets were hot

it really makes u think twice when u realize how many things in daily life a "Hot" and "glowing"
its scarier than the threat of terrorists in my opinion

just for kicks go to Google and type in something like "DHS" and "Nuclear" or "Detector" or something along these lines
u will find plenty of links to see what im talking about

i dont think we will be seeing any Rouge Spears anytime soon yall
so get some new underware and try not to soil them lol


i did see a source once that said the US govt has found and stopped over 10 Rouge Spears**nukes in the hands of non-nation entitys** in the past

there reaction teams are obviously extremely capable and well trained

you guys have NOTHING to fear but Fear Itself!
FDR wasnt an idiot



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:05 PM
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Come on guys, don't be idiots. It was mentioned earlier that if we nuked someone in retaliation after being nuked(I will not mention the poster), the world would nuke us back. PLEASE give me a break. If we are nuked, it's OVER. BOTTOM LINE. We WILL retaliate with nuclear weapons and a nasty chain of events will take place. A cascade if you will. No one can be for certain how it all will exactly play out but it's going to be armegeddon folks and I feel the threat brought up in this thread is the real deal. I've always thought and feared that nukes planted by "terrorists" over a long period of time and then detonated would be the "trigger" for armegeddon. If anyone thinks that the US will sit by after being nuked and let the world dictate to us that we can't nuke back you are a sad charleton. And know this: if "al quaida" nukes go off here, everyone including all muslims can be assured that the entire middle east will be a glass pit shortly afterwards. It saddens me that will happen but that's just the way its going to go. One point that was brought up before in more than one thread is that the "good" people in the muslim world need to crack down on the muslim "extremist" on a much larger scale. Of course we all know this is not going to happen. Also, for anyone who thinks if nukes were here they would have already gone off, I've got news for you. No they wouldn't have. Don't forget about the planning that went into 911. (I still question who all was involved besides "al quaida") Any planning for something like this would take a LONG time, any tard would understand this. Buckle your seatbelts people and keep your eyes up because we as mankind are in for a hugely bumpy ride. I just hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime.

[edit on 13-7-2005 by TxSecret]



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:13 PM
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Two things bother me about the contention that there are a series of clandestine nuclear weapons being stored in the U.S. for a future attacks:

1) The longer you keep something in storage, the greater the chance of it being either accidentally or intentionally discovered. In order to foster a greater chance of operational success with respect to a nuclear attack, you wouldn't expend the kind of resources and time it would take to smuggle a weapon into the U.S. only to "bide your time" before using it. You run the risk of losing your weapon which wastes all of the effort you put into smuggling it in.

2) As history has shown us that satellite imagery, though helpful in determining the strategy and tactics of one's enemy, is not perfect at all. One must assume that the U.S. has designed and fielded a satellite which is capable of detecting the radioactive emissions of a nuclear weapon from space. This capability would be immensely helpful in counting and determining the disposition of weapons in one's enemy's hands when it was cloudy or otherwise difficult to gather visible imagery from the target location. I would also venture to bet that if such a technology is available, it would also be used to ensure that nuclear weapons outside of the U.S. arsenal were not placed covertly on U.S. soil.

Sorry, I just don't buy it.



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:16 PM
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I seriously doubt that the US is going to respond to an AQ nuke attack by randomly nuking population centers in the Mideast. Makes a nice tough-guy fantasy, but it doesn't make any strategic sense. More likely one country will be blamed (my $$ is on Iran) even if they had nothing to do with it, and "made an example of".



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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Just a thought, and it's not bashing one side or the other, it's based on geography ... I'm not sure I can reconcile some of the posts here:

Assume the US is nuked, and likewise glasses off bits of the middle east in retaliation, what happens to their allies in the region, places like for example, Turkey, Israel, or Greece (hell, even the southern bit of Russia and Europe) ?

It's all quite closely packed in there, and nukes aren't exactly tactical precision weapons ...

(Oops: edit for spelling).

[edit on 13-7-2005 by 0951]



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:45 PM
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For those who have said that the terrorists lack the technological know-how to maintain and detonate nuclear weapons of any kind please think about the following. Not only can you find atomic material, let alone nuclear weapons (the lost Soviet suitcase nukes) in the black market, but you can also find former Soviet researchers right along side them. As a terrorist in the market, if you will, you would be purchasing the weapons AND the scientists. Remember, everyone and everything is for sale.

I am afraid of the possibility of such domestic attacks, but I am not overwhealmed by it. Just be as alert for these attacks as you would any other terrorist movement. To be honest I'm surprised there have been no bombings here of any kind as of yet.



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