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Originally posted by masterp
Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
No MasterP - I think that it is YOU who are mistaken!
Although I don't post in order to prove who is and who isn't wrong, in this case you are the one that is deceived.
Can't CHRIST be the "Son of God" & the "Word of God" & all of the rest of it - Jesus being a Mortal who through his Actions & Faith actually Embodied this "Christ"?
What's the meaning of the above question?
Do you realize that America is a Free Country & that people are free to Believe or not Believe anything that they wish.
But I did not say anything about freedom. It goes without saying that people are free to believe what they like. All I said is that the 'Davinci Code' is part of the greater agenta put forward by a certain group of people.
That Dan Brown & his Publisher are free to publish a book like the "Davinci Code" if they wish - even if it is Fiction?
They are free to publish any book they want, as long as they don't promote it in such a way that certain 'ideas' are promoted.
So why then do you Attack him?
Because the 'Davinci Code' is part of the plan to create doubt and fear.
Why then does he have to go into hiding? It is this VERY "Burn the Witch" Fundamentalist Mentality that is RUINING Christianity & Proving Dan Browns Point!
I did not say 'burn the witch'. Let the people read the book. But also tell them who Dan Brown is, and who does he represent.
Could it be that Jesus’ actual message was very Powerful
Of course. Jesus said 'love the others as you love yourself'. You can't say a more powerful message.
- but that certain Historical Organizations that were Hungry for Political Power (Ahem - Catholic Church) - just wanted to Use the Figure of Jesus as a Tool to Control the People while simultaneously covering up his actual Message that would end up Empowering them? Is it not Possible that the Catholic Church would call Brilliant Scientists "Heretical Witches" & Punish them with Death - that this was in-fact a Political Retaliation? I suggest that you Study History & the
Dark Ages a bit further!
but if we admit all the above, we must admit that Jesus was not the son of God, and that Christianity is a big lie. And if we do that, we break down 2000 years of human history, while at the same time we let another group of people be 'empowered' by the non-truth of this story.
Quote: "Interestingly, if you ask three people what it means to be Christian, you will get three different answers."
Indeed! I think that we should all pause for a second & Meditate on the Insight provided by this statement!
The above does not mean anything, really. Ask three people what democracy is and you will also get three different answers. But that does not mean that the concept of Christianity is not well defined. The diversity of the answers only reflects the opinion/ignorance of those asked.
The writings it is based on
and the dogma it professes are pauline and church of rome based little is left of the Jewish Rabbi who is said to be the foundation of the beliefs.
The Bible is just another collection of fictional short stories( ok some not so short)
Explain to me the miracle of Easter holy light then. For hundrends of years, at Easter time in Jerusalem, the Christian Patriarch enters the tomb of Jesus, naked, and gets out with the holy light. Before that, he and the building is thoroughly searched by other religions' members to see if there is a trick in lighting the candles. It would be a hell of a revelation for Jews and Muslims to actually reveal of Christianity being a big lie...but they never succeeded in finding out how the candles light up.
Not only that, but the world is being deceived by a certain group of people (that owns all of the media, including publications)...those who have eyes can see, and those who have ears can listen. And this situation has actually been predicted!!!
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
maybe your accusations are true... I don't know, but I do know that there are bad seeds in all groups. I totally agree with you that the catholic bashing is ridiculous, and I too am very tired of it. But pointing out that some Protestants did bad things, while cathartic, in my view, helps nothing.
I am even more tired of the bad rap that Wicca gets. Every Wiccan I have met was wonderful. Also, Islam is slammed far too much, and I have met many extremely good Muslims, and cannot think of one that I have met that was bad.
It is all good, we are one through God. Come together....
Pierre Plantard begins to stake a claim that he is a biological heir of the Messianic throne of Jesus [SDVC pp.77,80]. He changes his name to Pierre Plantard St. Claire [CDC p.113] and produces an impressive series of forged genealogies to link himself to Jesus and Mary Magdalen [SDVC pp.77,80].
None of it is true, of course. Plantard forges the documents and fabricates the history [SDVC pp.77-80; CDC p.113]. He has recruited a couple of people to help him, but the entire thing (except for two 19th-century texts [SDVC p.80]) is a hoax, as he will eventually admit under oath in a French court in 1993 [CDC p.113].
Originally posted by Stoic 1
And the most devout in any religion are the most dangerous. There is a void that needs to be filled. Faith fills the void. If you are prone to do harm to yourself or others you will do so, whether it is done in the name of God or Kermit the Frog King it is only the excuse.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I feel that the common practice of replying to an accusation or attack by accusing and attacking back in the same manner does not help much. If your aim was to show that all faiths have faults, you could have just said that, but you stated a number of specific allegations all aimed at one faith. That helps very little to resolve the disagreement.
Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Suspicion confirmed! MasterP -> you are a *NUT CASE*!
The idea of what qualifies for "Messiah" is Relative BTW! There were plenty of "Rebellious Prophets" that came before Jesus that actually Claimed to be the Messiah every chance they got (Jesus kept it on the Down Low for the most part).
Although I Personally believe that Jesus was the Messiah - there are plenty of Jews still around in the World that would dis-agree! They are free to that opinion - will you stop with this
"Anti-Semitic" & "Evil Zionist" stuff! You are contradicting yourself!
Yes and the Bible also has been edited about a THOUSAND times in the last 2000 Years!
have u read any of his other books, hes a freaking genius!
Originally posted by nimrods son
The Da Vinci Code was blatently plagiarised from Umberto Eco's foucults pendulum and from holy blood holy grail.
The Marian heresy has been around for 100's of years. I recently viewed a scottish website that had a picture of a stained glass window in an old church. The glass was according to the website, about 100 years old. It depicted Jesus and Mary holding hands and Mary is holding her belly in a manner that would suggest she was pregnant. I can't remember the address but if anyone wants to know I'll see if I can find it.
Personnally, I think Dan Brown tries too hard to come accross as an intellectual like Eco, but fails miserably.