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The DaVinci Code for real

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posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 09:02 AM
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Alright, here I go

I've been reading almost evey thread I could find on this site referring to the DaVinci code and Dan Brown and I'm shocked at how many people don't get what Dan Brown was really trying to do...not to mention the numerous counts of appaling statements into his credability. So here I am clearing up what I can


First of all we all know that the book is fiction...but the fact still remains that he did his research...the ideas and theorys presented in DaVinci code and Angles and Demons are completly fiction but are based on fact. Priory of Sion DID exist...Illuminati DID exsist...Opus Dei DOES exist. I'm not here to argue whether or not Illuminati still is around today, I welcome discussion about the brotherhood and what they stood for...but I am in no means attempting to say I know their still around....they could be....they could not be...

But lets start with the opinions surrounding Illuminati...I've noticed most people giving them a negative appearence...this is wrong...for the longest time the Illuminati was simply a group of scientists outbanned by the Roman Catholic church for discrediting their faith...they became a very powerful secret brotherhood so that scientist could have a place to share their ideas and thoughts without the ridicule and persicution of the church. They did "infiltrate" the free masons but not in a violent manner...it was simply the next step up...Many master masons were awarded the right of illumination buy performing a noble or highly respected act. In no way did the illuminati take over the masons and begin to control their activvities.

Opus Dei...I know Dan Brown portrayed this religious group as a very negative entity in his novel...but if you take the time to read some of Dan's statements on his website www.danbrown.com you find that he spent significant time researching this orginazation which included interviewing numerous current Opus Dei members. Yes it is true that some take this branch of religious to the level of hurting themselves...but most do not accept this as part of their belief.

I know this is hard for some of you to accept but Dan's book CAN be used as reference for a lot of information...but it must be recognized that it's only the cold hard facts that you can use...everything else is straight from Dan's brilliant mind...their simply books to read and enjoy...in no way was Dan attempting to force his beliefs on anyone, he was simply sharing them

So if anyone would like to discuss his brilliant work and the brotherhoods and secrecy surrounding them I'm reading and willing...

Also, I've noticed that noone seems to be interested in Deception Point...if I've missed any thread containing any topis on this book can someone please direct me to them....otherwise I guess I can start my own....

Anyways...that's my opening rant to this thread....please add to it at your own pace


amIreal ?????




posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 09:15 AM
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ps...I'm not trying to insult or shoot down anyone (sry if I came on a little strong) I am a pretty good natured person who is open to critism, so if anyone disagrees or wants to correct something in my statement....by all means post...I'll be happy to discuss with whoever about what they think



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 09:37 AM
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I'm gonna have to disagree, Dan Browns fictional novels CANNOT be used as any form of reference except as works of fiction.
There is too much fiction interwoven with his "research". Additionaly, the materials he drew
many of his ideas from are highly contoversial as reference works. He drew heavily from "Holy Blood, Holy Grail"
and if I remember correctly, the authors of which stated that it is only theories, and not factual.

Having said that, I reaaly do enjoy Dan Brown novels, and "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" does raise some interesting questions
though I'm not completely sold on the conclusions.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 09:39 AM
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I have seen people use the Da Vinci Code as their main source during an argument, I thought they were insane for using a piece of fiction. After that, I read the book and I thought it was very well researched.

Even from some articles about Opus Dei said that some members still practice...what was it, self mortification? The method was pretty much dying out. It's obvious that he would use such a dark character like Silas, because it made the story interesting. If he used some innocent, devout Catholic that gives to the collection plate everytime he goes to Church, then it would suck
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What better sect to choose than the Opus Dei, not many people know about it, aside from Catholics, and it had many dark practices.

My beliefs about the Priory of Sion are mixed as well. But I find beliefs of them protecting the sacred femine are outweighing my disbelief.

I find the existance of the Illuminati unlikely. The very thought of some shadowy figures plotting to rule the world just seems to far fetched to even graze truth.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 09:43 AM
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I complety agree with you on the conclusions...they are alittle hard to accept...but my point regarding using him as a reference ... I'm not sure if you totally go tmy point ... I know that the novels ideas and theory's cannot be accepted as fact because their not....but when you get down to sematics...the paintings...locations...ancient brotherhoods...they all exist/existed...and are correct...and if this is getting picky I'm sorry...but I hate to hear so many people on different threads stateing that nothing within the novels is true...

The fact that DaVinci's paintings contain images and symbols that he referenced are real does not mean that Dan's thoughts on what they mean are real...and I'm not trying to argue that...


Imagine the possibility of that bloodline still existing today though ?!?!?!

crazy idea



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by Majestic12
I find the existance of the Illuminati unlikely. The very thought of some shadowy figures plotting to rule the world just seems to far fetched to even graze truth.


I agree with the idea that they were planning to take over the world very far fetched especially b/c that's not what they stood for....their intentions was not to rule our society...all the illuminati were trying to do was ensure that the common public wasn't mislead or misinformed about science and religion...it was members of the illuminati that disproved the god of sun...disproved the god of sea...among other classic religious beliefs that can clearly be proven by today's simple science



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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So basically the members of the Illuminati contributed to modern day science?



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Majestic12
So basically the members of the Illuminati contributed to modern day science?


exacty!! infact that's where their name comes from...the word illuminati means those who are inlightened...(sry for the spelling) this is why the Catholic church portrayed them as a satanic cult trying to corrupt society...the church did not want the illuminati disproving their religious beliefs becase it simply ment that people would lose their faith in god...

Gaileo (again sry if this is spelt wrong) was an alegid member of the illuminati and he was one of the most brilliant minds of his day. The original meetings of the illuminati were simply scientist of that time gathering in a place of secrecy to share their ideas and thoughts on science without being persecuted for their radical new ideas



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:07 AM
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So really all of this stuff about them wanting to rule the earth with an invisible hand is just misconceptions? I find this very interesting, everything I have read on the internet contributes to the theory of world domination. Not once have I read anything regarding them bringing forth the truth about religious practices.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:13 AM
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There are many factual errors within the Davinci Code... maybe a point of reference for discussion would be to bring up one or more claims and talk about it, instead of the book in general...



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by JustMe74
There are many factual errors within the Davinci Code... maybe a point of reference for discussion would be to bring up one or more claims and talk about it, instead of the book in general...


The Illuminati is a good one to talk about...especially since most of the threads on this website seem to believe they were a satanic cult bent on taking over the word


as I've said above...they were a group of scientist.


Along with this, comes the path of illumination....and apparent path to lead new commers to the secret meeting place of the Illuminati...if one was smart enought to read the signs left behind that lead the way then they were granted a place in the brotherhood.

Majestic12....it is really surpriseing I know!!!! but it must be said that the Illuminati did have a vendeda against the catholic church because of the persicution they had to endure....the church would hunt down scientist and people believed to be a part of the Illuminati, kill them and leave their bodies in the streets branded by the church...this is why the church portrayed them as this evil cult with the goal of worl domination



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:36 AM
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And then they disbanded because the church was killing off their members one by one. I find this side of the story more plausible than anything else. Do you have any web site links with articles about the Illuminati being scientists trying to find the truth behind religious practices?

Thanks



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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It's kind of tricky to find site's that document the Illuminati as a scientific being....unfortunatly this is because so muc history has been recorded as them being another force looking for power...

you migh get lucky with google if you add keywords to the search such as science, creation, religion

www.crystalinks.com... this document talks about the current statements made by many people regarding what the illuminati is.

I'm sorry to say that most of my knowledge come more from history books and records that cannot be found on the web...I can provide you with a listing of books..but unfortunatly not right now because i don't have them with me at this moment (sorry)



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by amIreal

Originally posted by JustMe74
There are many factual errors within the Davinci Code... maybe a point of reference for discussion would be to bring up one or more claims and talk about it, instead of the book in general...


The Illuminati is a good one to talk about...especially since most of the threads on this website seem to believe they were a satanic cult bent on taking over the word


as I've said above...they were a group of scientist.


Along with this, comes the path of illumination....and apparent path to lead new commers to the secret meeting place of the Illuminati...if one was smart enought to read the signs left behind that lead the way then they were granted a place in the brotherhood.

Majestic12....it is really surpriseing I know!!!! but it must be said that the Illuminati did have a vendeda against the catholic church because of the persicution they had to endure....the church would hunt down scientist and people believed to be a part of the Illuminati, kill them and leave their bodies in the streets branded by the church...this is why the church portrayed them as this evil cult with the goal of worl domination


But, the book does not mention the Illuminati does it ?



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 12:21 PM
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I guess your right....sorry, I've read both DaVinci code and Angles and Demons and despite the fact that illuminati is alluded to in DaVinci code, it's the focus of Angles and Demons...

if you would prefer to stick just to DaVinci then how about the idea that the bloodline of chirst still exists today? The idea that the Prioy of Sion being keepers of this secret seems a little far fetched, but it would help explain some of the violence the catholic church has exibited to secret societies in the past



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 12:25 PM
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and I would also like to discuss the images and symbols left behind in DaVinci's paintings...they are understandably not a coicidence seeing as many of the drawings had to be redone to omit may of Leonardo's "jokes"

every detail that Dan mentions in his book regarding these images are true and can actually been seen in teh origonal paintings in france....

I took a tour through the louve museum last year, and I must say it was VERY interesting to see his work...



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 02:29 PM
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I've read Deception Point also besides Davinci and Angels and Demons...very interesting...For some reason he gets criticized so much more than other authors that base their fictional novels around facts and add supposition to them. I really don't feel that anything in his DaVinci Code would change the faith of any believer that has true faith in Christ....I do think that there are many deceptions out there that should be questioned.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 10:12 PM
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I can't wait to see if Brown is able to decipher the masons political
links in his next book.


But Da Vinci was disapointing for me on many levels:

1) you know what ? maybe I've read too much esoteric books...Or too much Newton. I figured most of the codes in advance. Than I was seeing these experts banging their heads as I was laughing. I mean gosh...even here I'm told to be ignorant.

2) the girl character starts liks she is Lara Croft, and ends into
being sort of an Amelie Poulin (I say this as Audrey Tautouwas selected to play her in the film).


3) Da Vinci pictured St-John as feminine like he did paint other boys as feminine in other portraits. The book discredit art historians for not doing their job, but Vinci being a gay man, I woul assume that picturing gay subtones was more thrilling to him than glorifying the greatest heterosexual adventure ever. "V"....yeah I am certain Vinci had a big vagina in mind. (also... I heard the Prieuré De Sion list of members is a hoax from the 50's).



SPOILERS AHEAD:

DO NOT READ:



4) What kills the book the most is this association between a group
preserving a bloodline of Christ, while making incantations to
pagan godesses. I mean..it's one thing to hold the proof that Marie Madeleine was a great israelian queen, and that she had the baby of the king prophet Jesus. It's another to confer sacro-saint aura to people who are supposed to be venerably human, and to chant the feminine sacred in hommage to marie-madeleine. Is the new queen of England a saint ?
The bizarre ending seemed almost like an aryan folk tale. Focus is on the blood and ascendance. There is nothing morally valuable about that. The prieuré are pictures as endoctrinated as the church they hope to dismantle.


5) Actually they are not planning to dismantle that church anymore.
No...miss the grandmother is totally contempt with her mysteries.
The protagonist is left to dig the graal on his own and, in what constitute a poignant ending that links to the begining of the story in totally imprevisible ways (about the only real unsolvable mystery for those
who have read many esotery books), he manages to frustrates our incredulity. While the idea of the double pyramids of the Louvre is a fantastic one, we are left with truting a myth that the graal might lay beneath it. A theory I'm sure the architect IM Pei would have enlightening comments to argument. And the 666 glasses, as a bonus ?


We could always bulldozer the Louvres, or maybe
the author intended to be allegoric, but there is rarely
something as resentful as a book proclaiming to
demystify myths when it actually create new ones.



As of Opus Dei, yes they exist as described,
but in the book they are shown as repentant
for crimes they had no ideas were going on.
That monk being victim to his endoctrination
is on purpose with many recent world events.
Another good aspect of the book.



Cheers,


Cedric Philiation



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Centiment
I can't wait to see if Brown is able to decipher the masons political
links in his next book.


Is this the theme of his next book? I haven't looked into any information on a next book or anything. But in the Da Vinci Code the reason that the codes in book were so simple was for the idea that anyone could read the book. If they were to complex people would confused etc. Also adding to the idea that his books are researched, if you look at the beginning of Angels and Demons, he has this whole page about Anti-Matter. He doesn't have any formulas or anything but he displays enough information that makes you understand what it is.

[edit on 12-7-2005 by The_Final]



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 01:21 AM
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Anti-matter ?


Intriguing. I never read that other book.


The equation that makes matter wins over anti-matter
is nearly the secret of the foundation of this universe. But I disgress....



Yes.."The Solomon Key" is coming out soon.
(obvious title)


Everybody speculate about it on the net.


There is a thread on this forum
about it too.



Cedric Phi



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