Intelligent Design: An Insult to Gods Intelligence?, page 6

Originally posted by the_patriot2004

Originally posted by Produkt
WB,

Now read.

www.talkorigins.org...
www.talkorigins.org...

I'm really surprised people still use the sun argument after it was refuted before the year was up when it was first claimed...

It wasn't refuted, don't believe me, check with NASA, or the Naval aeronautical institute I believe is the name for it. they can prove its been shrinking at that rate for the past 400 years. nearly every science institution that studies the sun will admit to that. add onto that mere common sense. the sun, is basically a fusion reactor. to put a long story short, fusion reactors produce a LOT of energy, and I mean a LOT of energy. but they also lose energy. they lose energy in the form of heat. granted, the loss is miniscule, but over time a fusion reactor will burn itself out over time. the sun works on the same principle, its a fusion reaction, and is losing energy over time. now, when it comes to the size of the sun, 5 feet per hour is a miniscule loss, and if the earth is only 6-10,000 years old, that poses absolutly no problem. but to millions of years, it does pose a problem, and evolutionary scientists have seen this, and the more intelligent ones have attempted to explain it away. however, you still get the occasional wacko, who will call science a liar without doing proper research, just to prove his theory right, which the authors of those two sites have opted to do so.

Now, if you had come up with an alternate explanation instead of calling science a lie, then you might have an argument, and since you have failed to give a counter argument, I will do so for you. a counter argument might follow like this: the sun, since it is shrinking, so is its gravity well. the earth has always been the same distance to the sun, and as the sun shrinks, the earths orbit has shrunk proportionatly to the shrinkage of the sun. now this is a plausible counter theory, one that might work. you may ask, why am I doing this, is it not working against myself? well I'm doing it to show you science. you don't take scientific evidence and choose to disregard it simply because it doesn't fit your theory, you take scientific evidence as it is, whether it fits your theory or not, and if what we can see and observe disagrees with your theory, then your theory doesn't line up with the evidence then throw the theory out and start over.

now, as a counter to that argument, no evidence has been found to suggest the earths orbit has shrunk proportionatly to that of the sun. however, it has not been proven impirically that it hasn't either to my knowledge. you cannot prove that the earths orbit is shrinking proportionatly to that of the sun, however you can prove that the sun is shrinking. until you can find scientific evidence as to why this doesn't pose a problem to evolution, then this is a valid argument for a young earth. giving a couple sites by people claiming the sun isn't shrinking when its been proven by astronomers across the globe is not a valid scientific argument.

You want a counter argument? Read those two links AND goto the NASA web site. And yes, the shrinking sun was refuted, by the year's end of it's first claim, don't believe me .... Reasearch and LEARN.

[edit on 10-3-2006 by Produkt]