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Luxembourg votes yes!

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posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 03:39 PM
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Luxembourg has voted yes on the EU constitution. I have a few questions regarding this reversal of fortune for the constitution. Does it change anything I mean the constitution can't come into force unless all member nations have approved it. Was this just for show is there any substance to this referendum or was it just to show that there are still some pro-europeans out there. How will this affect the battle over the future of the EU.

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posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 06:12 PM
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Some say the countries that were originally inmtending to vote should carry on so that there are concrete results to review, others - the British for instance - say what is the point of going to all that expense and effort in view of the French and Dutch results, additional results won't change them.



posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 08:39 PM
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What Luxembourg votes doesn't matter its only a tiny country.There are 3 Countries in the EU Britain , France and Germany all wanting to dominate how the Eu is to progress, only France and Germany want to keep the old way of subsidizing ailing industries, Britain looks to a more democratic view that gives to the industries freedom to do as necessary to be a player in the world. France and Germany economies are in dire straits now, so who's going to win in the end over Europe?



posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 10:43 PM
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Does anybody believe that if other countries successfully ratify the constitution it will force or at least put pressure on the british and the other countries that cancelled their referenda to hold them after all.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 01:28 AM
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The British have canceled their referendum and the Netherlands said it won't reconsider it by holding another vote.

I see no hope for this current constitution, I think it'll have to be scrapped and a new one developed.



posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by Bulldog 52
What Luxembourg votes doesn't matter its only a tiny country.


- Well actually it does; Luxembourg has full voting rights in the EU, so their views do count afterall.

Interesting that you want to talk about "domination" and how the smaller countries "don't count" and yet at other points you imagine and assert these exact same traits, and how aweful they are, amongst others!
Oooops, giveaway or what?



There are 3 Countries in the EU Britain , France and Germany all wanting to dominate how the Eu is to progress


- Once again you treat us to your amusing cartoon version of the EU, Bulldog.
The reality is though that there are 25 countries in the EU; no one country 'dominates' it, nor could.

There are various shifting alliances on various issues.

.......and strange as it might seem to you a heck of a lot of agreement too - as is plain from the sheer volume of agreed Treaties and law from the begining over 50yrs ago to date.

If you want to back your claims that France and Germany are trying to dominate the EU, feel free.

(But I suspect that like many of your posts there will be a total absence of any supporting evidence.)


only France and Germany want to keep the old way of subsidizing ailing industries


- If you think France and Germany are the only nations that aid or subsidize some of their industries you are much mistaken.....even the USA subsidizes it's farming industry, it's civil and military aero industry, it's airline industry, it's space industry etc etc.

Feel free to give some detail as to which of their "ailing" industries you think they have twisted the EU member nations' arms into any enormously unusual subsidising.


Britain looks to a more democratic view that gives to the industries freedom to do as necessary to be a player in the world.


- Hmmm, more right-wing tabloid-speak, quell surprise.
Maybe you'd like to explain how giving big businesses and corporations an almost completely free hand is 'democratic', hmmm?

Perhaps you'd care to ditch the empty rhetoric for a change and explain just how Europe's business is so 'unfree'?


France and Germany economies are in dire straits now


- "Dire straights"!?
Er, no they aren't actually.

There is some high unemployment (but then they do not count unemployment in the same way as we do.......part-time workers wanting a full-time job count as unemployed in Germany for instance) that is true and growth has been low for some time (but again, that is not quite as it seems, consider 'real growth', ie the bald growth figure 'net' of inflation, and neither French nor German growth is quite the horror story some want to paint.

Germany's problem (and by extension the rest of the EU's problem) is their on-going efforts to absorb and unify with the old East German state.(....and a USA so debt ridden that her status of 'importer of last resort' is having to be scalled back.)
This was always going to be difficult but it will not last forever.


so who's going to win in the end over Europe?


- The collective of 25 nations, in the end.

Certainly not your silly dream of a EU "dominated" by anyone, and certainly not the UK.
Get real.



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