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"The problem is that the Americans have no vision and no clear policy on how to go about in Iraq," said Allawi, a long-time ally of Washington.
In an interview with The Sunday Times last week as he visited Amman, the Jordanian capital, he said: "The policy should be of building national unity in Iraq. Without this we will most certainly slip into a civil war. We are practically in stage one of a civil war as we speak."
Allawi, a secular Shi’ite, said that Iraq had collapsed as a state and needed to be rebuilt. The only way forward, he said, was through "national unity, the building of institutions, the economy and a firm but peaceful foreign relation policy". Unless these criteria were satisfied, "the country will deteriorate".
Allawi said that he had discussed the urgency of rebuilding Iraq’s military with President George W Bush and Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, last year. "Bush earmarked $5.7 billion (£3.2 billion) . . . but I did not receive the money," Allawi said.
However, Allawi insisted the Americans’ presence in Iraq was still required and rejected suggestions that a schedule should be drawn up for their withdrawal. “I cannot see withdrawal based on timing, but based on conditions,” he said. These would be satisfied only once Iraq “develops the capability to deal with threats”.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
You gotcher freedom fighters and you gotcher insurgents (of course it depends on which side you're on as to what you call the other - they ALL think they're freedom fighters.)
Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
Does anyone actually believe this is a coincidence?
Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
As for which freedom fighters/insurgents will end up being our "allies", and for how long?....God knows.
Lest we forget, once upon a time the mujahadeen (sp?) were seen as our allies, now they are "terrorist".
Originally posted by djohnsto77
Why would Bush want a civil war in Iraq? That'd sure throw a wrench into his plans to steal all of her oil! You conspiracists should at least try to get your stories straight... :shk:
Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
This is it.
America want a civil war in Iraq for more than one reason. Mainly because they need to no longer be the 'invading force' but the 'liberators' they have claimed to be from day one. The only way to do this is to have the fighting turn in on itself rather than at them, then they will be a force that is there to re-establish the peace.
Al-Zarqawi is their man for the job. He's responsable for most Terrorist acts which make you go .
The ones which people say 'why are Iraqi's attacking themselves?'.
He's publically stated that the mission of his group is to start a civil war in Iraq. Why? He's suppose to be fighting in Iraq because Arabs will always fight together regardless of history if it's in order to fight the 'infidels'. So why would he be blowing up Iraqi's and hoping for a Civil War when it's only going to reenforce the US position in Iraq and actually give them what they want.
Why can't Al-Zarqawi be varified by anyone but Rumsfeld who himself knows very little about this man.
No one knows who Al-Zarqawi is and his identity can't be confirmed but yet he's a parrot for US Army tatics in Iraq.
This is the whole essence of 'Al-Qeada' which is a group that doesn't exsist. If anything, Al-qeada is no more than a ideology shared amongst individual groups. This creation of Al-Qeada has been crafted so there is always a cover for any Psy-Ops that have to be done.
There's only EVER been 1 Al-Qeada group uncovered and it turned out to be a front for Mossad.
Bin Laden who is the head of Al-Qeada if you believe the Pentagon was established by the CIA, funded by American tax payers and had his Muhjadeen sponsered by America. Now when America invaded Afgahnistan in 2001, they aligned themselves with the War Lords to remove the Taliban from the villages. Most of these people simply swapped hats, that's it. They don't fight loyaly for certain groups only, they fight for who has power.
When America invaded, the Taliban was quickly disabled because most of it's members started fighting under the War Lords who had US Army backing.
Nothing has changed in Afghanistan except Taliban laws have been replaced AGAIN with War Lord rules and where is Bin Laden??
The only thing to come out of the Afghan war in response to 9/11 were two things:
1. The farce that Bin Laden has been on the run and his group disbanded all over the world, thou still under control of Bin Laden.
2. The war aligned perfectly with the Poppy season which resulted in a 2,000 ton Herion trade boost under the re-established War Lords - The Taliban had been destorying the Poppy crops because drugs are against their religion and the season prior to 9/11 had produced an all time low. The CIA/Wallstreet Drug Trade is a MAJOR funder for black budgets, it's important to them that a healthy controlled drug trade is working and Afghan Herion is a big money maker.
3. Oil Pipelines of course.
The CIA funded and established Bin Laden
The CIA funded Allawi to run Terrorists activities against Saddam, then made him Intern Prime Minster.
Now the CIA are funding Terrorist operations in Iran.
It's foolish to believe 'Terror' can be stopped with 'Terror' and 'War' and it's a flat out lie when Bush/Rumsfeld or Cheney say they 'don't deal with Terrorists'.
[edit on 11-7-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]
Originally posted by Seekerof
If civil war takes place, then so be it.
The Iraqi people will sooner or later have to sort things among themselves anyhow, correct?
Originally posted by djohnsto77
Why would Bush want a civil war in Iraq? That'd sure throw a wrench into his plans to steal all of her oil! You conspiracists should at least try to get your stories straight... :shk: