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China debuts AEGIS destroyers with 052C

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posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 01:35 AM

Originally posted by chinawhite
arent the sunburns fired in salvos. with all of the missiles aiming at the same place with the first one leading if that gets hit then another takes its place and it keeps on going until the target is hit?

Im not sure it works exactly like that. However Aegis was designed to defend CBG's against massed saturation attacks from the Soviet AF/Navy during the cold war. Unless the PLAN upgrades its fleet to a signifigant level, it is unlikely that those ship swill get within range of a CBG during a conflict with say Taiwan. The Sovients had a huge number of Backfire bombers to do so.

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 01:38 AM
Not to mention that the VLS system can shoot a lot faster than the original rail launchers that were on the Ticos and the FFG/DDGs in the 80s and early 90s. The rail launchers were more interesting to watch, but the VLS tubes are a better system.

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 01:40 AM
can the aegis defend againest sea-skimming missiles. like say the exocet?

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 01:44 AM
Yes. That and other missiles like it is one of the reasons the Aegis system was developed.

"The AEGIS weapon system is billed as the most capable surface launched missile system the Navy has ever put to sea. Its weapons can be trained on targets at a wide range of altitudes from wave top to directly overhead, and is capable of engaging anti-ship cruise missiles and manned aircraft flying in all speed ranges from subsonic to supersonic. The AEGIS system has been employed in all environmental conditions, having both all-weather capability and the abilitt to operate in chaff and jamming environments."

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 01:46 AM

Originally posted by chinawhite

can the aegis defend againest sea-skimming missiles. like say the exocet?

Im pretty sure. The Exocet is really 70's tech. (Project was started in like 1967) Updated no doubt, but it should be able to handle it. However, the Exocet missile has a range of only 65 km and Mach 0.93 so the platform has to be pretty close. By comparison the Sunburn SS-N-22 has a range of 250 km and can hit Mach 3. Whole different animal

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 01:50 AM
The Aegis can hit it too. It's even more capable against it now that they have the Burkes added to the groups. More radars, more launch platforms, better chance of hitting. They used to work the Ticonderoga cruisers with DDGs and FFGs through a datalink, and fire the missiles based on what the Tico saw. Now the Burkes can add to the Tico radar coverage and not have to rely on the cruiser datalink to see targets.

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 02:28 AM
its wanst the sunburn. it was the shipwreak

The long-range missiles cannot be controlled once launched, but do have a multivariant target engagement program. When ripple-fired the missiles share information while in-flight. The lead missile assumes a high-level flight trajectory enabling it to increase its target acquisition capacity, while the other missiles follow at a lower level. If the lead missile is destroyed, one of the other missiles will automatically assume the lead role.

armed on a kirvo class crusier

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 02:33 AM
However the Ticonderogas and Burkes have the capability to see ALL the missiles, and what they can see, they can generally hit. They can see from sea level to high altitude almost directly above them. Once they all get the new SM-3 and eventually the -4 they will be even more effective than they are now.

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 05:15 AM

A Chinese AEGIS, why would they need them, most of their currently fleet employ a range of Soviet Anti Aircraft/Anti Missile Technology, SA-6's and then their Copied Goalkeeper Close in defense system. In their region, what real hostile threat could they have....?

Tawian, sure, uses US Military technology, some advanced sea skimmers, not to mention some First Class Fighter Bombers, but in my opinion, these sky are being designed to defend the invasion fleets from US aircraft.

I can't see these vessels being of the same standard of the Current US AEGIS systems, but, I would say they are at early 1980s standards at least, but there are two factors that rarely are expressed in these dicussions. Training and Tactics, without good training, your not going to know how to use your equipment effectively, nor would you know any of the "wee" short cuts in getting a solution etc Then your Tactics, if your employ your AEGIS vessel, as just another DDG or don't use it as the Fleet defense director, you are losing out on your advantage.

Time will tell if these vessels are effective.

I do have one question, I can see the Helicopter deck at the rear of the vessel and a possible hanager, but could any one tell me it which aircraft it will carry?

- Phil

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 05:30 AM
If the Chinese ever build a carrier, they'll need an Aegis system. Or if they put together some kind of battle group then the Aegis system will work pretty well.

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 05:38 AM
the chinese DDG has two Russian Ka-28 Halix-A.

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[edit on 10-7-2005 by chinawhite]

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 05:51 AM

Not to mention that the VLS system can shoot a lot faster than the original rail launchers that were on the Ticos and the FFG/DDGs in the 80s and early 90s.

I think a guide missile destroyer can fire all of its VLS missiles instantaneously while each missile if needed can track independent targets.

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 07:59 AM
You sure about 2 helis?? I see place for only one per DDG

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 08:03 AM
In a stretch you can put two. One on the helipad, one in the hangar. Most DDGs carry just one in the hangar though. They CAN carry 2, but usually DON'T.

posted on Jul, 10 2005 @ 02:02 PM
The United States has decided to deploy 15 Aegis destroyers equipped with sophisticated interceptor missile system in the Korean waters till 2006.

Meanwhile, the Taiwanese Navy has announced that it will receive two Kidd-class guided missile destroyers from the US in 2005. These destroyers will be armed with SM-2 Standard missiles with a range of 144 km and the associated system will be capable of simultaneously tracking dozens of incoming airborne threats. According to Taiwanese Navy, these vessels "would be a big boost to the Taiwan Navy's air defense capability, considering [China's] powerful air defense capability. The acquisition will boost the navy's surveillance capabilities, and provide Taiwan with a maritime anti-missile platform." Besides, the Kidd class destroyers have similar software that interfaces with the US Navy and would logically add to interoperability thus reducing the time of US military intervention should war break out in the Taiwan Strait.

For the US, the deployment is part of the US armed forces "preemptive attack strategy" dubbed "Bush doctrine"

The Chinese have watched the Taiwanese military modernization with great concern. Beijing is conscious of its vulnerability against any Taiwanese missile attacks. It was outraged in June 2004 over a US suggestion that Taiwan could attack the Three Gorges Dam project as a counter measure to any Chinese invasion of Taiwan. The Chinese lack any credible naval surveillance and anti-missile platform to counter either the Taiwanese missile attacks or the US missile capability. In response, China has speeded up building destroyers at an amazing speed. It is currently building two Type 956EM (in Russia), two each Type 052B and 052C missile destroyers and two Type 054 missile frigates.

China has imported machinery equipment, weapon systems and other materials from a number of sources like France, Russia, Sweden & Ukraine. China is also negotiating with Ukraine for purchasing Ukraina, a Slava class cruiser.

The current Chinese destroyer build up programme is essentially to bridge the gap in its sea-based TMD against the Taiwanese, Japanese and also the US missile capability. These vessels will ensure early sea-based cruise missile detection and interception network as also serve as an effective deterrent.

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posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 12:52 PM
i am a chinese!
there are so many people who care about our destroiers!
chinese people like peace,we don't want to fight with any countrys.
but our pla have capbility to defeat anyone who want to invade taiwan!
taiwan was!is!will be a part of china!chinese people support pla!
i love peace,i love china.

we have not so much money to construct warships,so pla built two 052c,not like unitestates,they have over 50 burk class destroy.

posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 01:13 PM
reply to post by W4rl0rD

complicates planning by other naval powers for the Taiwan Straits or other disputed Pacific Ocean waters.

Sorry if I am off-topic.
But, how about ending WWII and giving Formosa back to Japan and let them defend it.
I actually do not know if they would want it, but my guess is that no one asked them.

posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 01:53 PM
A prowling 688 will sink half their fleet anyways during a blue water conlflict. China should be focusing on getting an edge on the US (hell no they shouldn't)
you know invent something new. but instead they are just wasting their time playing a hopless game of catch up to the US and the UK.

posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 04:20 PM
China built these as AAW ships, they're not meant to go toe-to-toe with CVBG's.
They're escorts.

I have no doubt they are running some kind of sensor fusion/battle management system modeled on Aegis - the Chinese aren't exactly backwards when it comes to IT & electronics, chances are much of the PC you're reading this on was probably manufactured in China.

China's preferred strategy for dealing with the carriers seems to be diesel subs and terminally guided IRBM's, both of which will be very difficult to defeat.

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