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AI Report 2005--China

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Oct

posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 09:07 AM
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About Lan Pu's son, if he had really been kidnapped, of cause he knows the evil of CCP very much. After his case was exposed by Mr. Chen Yonglin, according to CCP's evil nature and its spy-net in Australia, he might have been warned by those spies, CCP is a party that stops at no evil, remember?

Do you think the poor son dare to offense such a terrible demon while his father is still in the hand of CCP? So he did not tell the truth to the police is understandable.




posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Oct
About Lan Pu's son, if he had really been kidnapped, of cause he knows the evil of CCP very much. After his case was exposed by Mr. Chen Yonglin, according to CCP's evil nature and its spy-net in Australia, he might have been warned by those spies, CCP is a party that stops at no evil, remember?

Do you think the poor son dare to offense such a terrible demon while his father is still in the hand of CCP? So he did not tell the truth to the police is understandable.


While speculation is very appropriate to this website.

The ASIO reports state clearly that Lan Pu's son was forthright and frank and they had no reason not to believe him in this case.

Do you even know who Lan Pu is, Oct?

He was involved in one of the biggest corruption cases ever, in China (thats saying a lot) and subsequently fled overseas with literally billions of tax payers money.

His lucky in my books, other governments might actually have kidnapped his son to get back such a guy.

Note that his son is not totally innocent under the "proceeds of crime act", his studies in Australian and all expenses were probably paid for by corruption.

EDIT:

Just out of curiosity Oct, i did a search on the posts you post in.

All relate to Falungong and most your sources come from the Epoch Times. Now, i've seen a few of your type of posters else where as well. Namely forums like Japantoday etc, etc. Posters that basically post every single story from the epoch times

Is this somekind of a Falungong all out assault on webpages?

[edit on 4-8-2005 by rapier28]


Oct

posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by rapier28

Originally posted by Oct
About Lan Pu's son, if he had really been kidnapped, of cause he knows the evil of CCP very much. After his case was exposed by Mr. Chen Yonglin, according to CCP's evil nature and its spy-net in Australia, he might have been warned by those spies, CCP is a party that stops at no evil, remember?

Do you think the poor son dare to offense such a terrible demon while his father is still in the hand of CCP? So he did not tell the truth to the police is understandable.


While speculation is very appropriate to this website.

The ASIO reports state clearly that Lan Pu's son was forthright and frank and they had no reason not to believe him in this case.

Do you even know who Lan Pu is, Oct?

He was involved in one of the biggest corruption cases ever, in China (thats saying a lot) and subsequently fled overseas with literally billions of tax payers money.

His lucky in my books, other governments might actually have kidnapped his son to get back such a guy.
[edit on 4-8-2005 by rapier28]


I have mentioned, before facing the police, the poor son might have been warned by the spies of CCP.
Being afraid of a demon revenge, the young guy might lie to protect himself and his father.

I know sth about Lan Pu's crime, he should be arrested, however, normal countries would not kidnap a criminal's son to get him back, this is agaist the law. If you think the son is not innocent, he should go through the legal system to be investigated. CCP is a black society type of evil party, it can stop at no evil to achieve its goal.

what you think about the case is not obeying the law, I think you have influenced by your environment--CCP's environment.


Oct

posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 10:42 AM
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Epochtimes is an independent media which does not afraid of CCP.
Many main stream media have benefits involving with China, they are regulated by their fear of the CCP. Therefore, they donot dare to offense CCP for they own sake, because they know CCP's evil.

Therefore, many facts are exposed by epochtimes, remember SARS? Epochtimes exposed the truth before CCP admitted the break of the disease--the facts that CCP had covered for quite some time.

As many people are exposing the evil nature of CCP, you will read more posts related to epochtimes.

Because the lies of CCP have cheated people all over the world, Falun Gong practitioners have to let people know the truth, I know some other Falun Gong practitioners are clarifying the truth at forums, you will meet them if you have some tasks to implement at forums.



posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Oct
Because the lies of CCP have cheated people all over the world, Falun Gong practitioners have to let people know the truth, I know some other Falun Gong practitioners are clarifying the truth at forums, you will meet them if you have some tasks to implement at forums.


Tasks to implement at forums?

So what you are saying is that the Falungong is actively telling its members to go out on forums, kind of like a part time job?


I wonder what people actually think about that, considering the furore that has erupted on the net lately over CCP spies on the web.

So, this is kind of like one of those "tree falling when no one is around scenarios".

"I mean, if 2 propagandists meet each other on the web, do they cancel eachother out?"



Oct

posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by rapier28

Originally posted by Oct
Because the lies of CCP have cheated people all over the world, Falun Gong practitioners have to let people know the truth, I know some other Falun Gong practitioners are clarifying the truth at forums, you will meet them if you have some tasks to implement at forums.


Tasks to implement at forums?


I think you know English well enough to understand I mean "if you want to implement some tasks".

No one tells Falun Gong practitioners to do this or that, and no Falun Gong practitioner is paid for doing sth.

What Falun Gong practitioners are doing is from the conscience, not like those spies who are attached to CCP's money.

[edit on 4-8-2005 by Oct]



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 12:15 AM
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I never said that you were paid "money".

There are all types of payments, your payment may be that you believe you will reach "englightenment" or something similar.

For example, suicide bombers were never paid money, they "payment" as you put it, was to believe that they could reach heaven with 17 wives. At least what the CCP does is pure economics, i'am sure many governments around the world employs people "monitoring" the net (probably in a fashion not as crude as the CCP).

What you do is subconcious, its almost a form of mind-control, thats what makes it scary.


Oct

posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by rapier28
I never said that you were paid "money".

There are all types of payments, your payment may be that you believe you will reach "englightenment" or something similar.


Can you imagine that sb could do sth just for the truth? or just do sth because of the conscience?

Falun Gong practitioners think that believing in Truthfulness, Benevolence and Forbearance is not wrong. Now, many innocent persons are being persecuted, and evil CCP uses all its force to defame the practice, its evil lies have cheated many people.The evil CCP uses the country machine to persecute kind persons both inside and outside China.

Now, not only Falun Gong practitioners, many governments and organizations and persons who have conscience are calling for the end of the persecution. Just have a look at this forum, except those CCP's agents, who supports the evil persecution?

[edit on 5-8-2005 by Oct]



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 03:24 AM
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I'll bet these days the State Dept. won't be in a hurry to express their views on the treatment of the Chinese people.

Dallas



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Oct
Can you imagine that sb could do sth just for the truth? or just do sth because of the conscience?

Falun Gong practitioners think that believing in Truthfulness, Benevolence and Forbearance is not wrong.


WRONG!

FLG is not truthful.

It continues to deny its existence as a political entity or its links to news media such as the Epoch Times and the NTDTV. This is despite the fact that both cases are obviousely correct to any neutral commentator or observer.

So the first part of your motto is immediately shot down.



Now, not only Falun Gong practitioners, many governments and organizations and persons who have conscience are calling for the end of the persecution. Just have a look at this forum, except those CCP's agents, who supports the evil persecution?
[edit on 5-8-2005 by Oct]


Well, thats kind of missing the point, especially since people who defend China's actions or castigate the FLG are called CCP agents straight away.


Oct

posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 11:31 PM
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It continues to deny its existence as a political entity or its links to news media such as the Epoch Times and the NTDTV. This is despite the fact that both cases are obviousely correct to any neutral commentator or observer.


As a political entity, one organization must have its plicy to maintain or to get the political power, or the political agenda, or the idea to control a government.

However, Falun Gong has nothing above, does not care the political power, the social system.

Only after the evil perseution, Falun gong practitioners try to expose the evil nature of CCP, and the purpose is not to take over the government, or perform political reform; the purpose is to stop the evil persecution.

Master Li once said, not the original words, after CCP collapse, Falun Gong practitioners will not take over the political power.

However, some Chinese are brainwashed by CCP, once anyone exposes the evil action of CCP, some Chinese will say they are doing sth political, as if political things are not good. Political things are the things of normal society, only CCP deprives the right of Chinese people involving in politics, this is wrong.

Falun Gong does not involve in political things. Exosing evil is not a political thing, that is for the justice of the universe.



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 11:33 PM
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To tell the truth, I don't know whether Falungong is evil or not.

However, let's take a look at Mr. Li Hong Zhi, the leader and creator of FaLunGong, an uneducated man, has been working as a labor for 20 years in a farm in a very small and poor town of North East China.

Just find out the resume of Mr. Li Hong Zhi:
1952 Born
1960-1969, studying from elementary school to junior high school in ChangChun city(Pearl elementary school, No.4/No.48 junior high school)
1970-1978, playing horn in a horse farm at Unit201, Chinese Army
1078-1982, working as a waiter in a hotel in forest
1982-1991, working as a security in the food supplies company of ChangChun city
1991.... Create Fa Lun Gong and then be the leader, creator and god of it.

Suddenly one day Mr. Li Hong Zhi claimed that he was the god of the world and found a way to the heaven...Hoho...So interesting...


Originally posted by Oct

Originally posted by rapier28
I never said that you were paid "money".

There are all types of payments, your payment may be that you believe you will reach "englightenment" or something similar.


Can you imagine that sb could do sth just for the truth? or just do sth because of the conscience?

Falun Gong practitioners think that believing in Truthfulness, Benevolence and Forbearance is not wrong. Now, many innocent persons are being persecuted, and evil CCP uses all its force to defame the practice, its evil lies have cheated many people.The evil CCP uses the country machine to persecute kind persons both inside and outside China.

Now, not only Falun Gong practitioners, many governments and organizations and persons who have conscience are calling for the end of the persecution. Just have a look at this forum, except those CCP's agents, who supports the evil persecution?

[edit on 5-8-2005 by Oct]


[edit on 5-8-2005 by google_abcd]


Oct

posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 11:44 PM
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As the epochtimes and NtdTV, I can tell you this, I think some people inluding some Falun Gong practitioners think the CCP's evil propaganda has poisoned the world, and many western media donot dare to expose CCP's evil because of political, economic reasons. Therefore, they set up these companies to tell the truth to public.

However, these companies are not Falun Gong's, Falun Gong has not formal organization, no membership, no money.

You can say some practitioners work in those companies, but that is their personal behavior.

All the money spent in the movement joined by falun Gong practitioners are the practitioners own money.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by google_abcd
1952 Born
1960-1969, studying from elementary school to junior high school in ChangChun city(Pearl elementary school, No.4/No.48 junior high school)
1970-1978, playing horn in a horse farm at Unit201, Chinese Army
1078-1982, working as a waiter in a hotel in forest
1982-1991, working as a security in the food supplies company of ChangChun city
1991.... Create Fa Lun Gong and then be the leader, creator and god of it.

Suddenly one day Mr. Li Hong Zhi claimed that he was the god of the world and found a way to the heaven...Hoho...So interesting...


Yeah, mabye its the horn playing in the horse farm ....

I'am not sure if this is a reflection of of the state of the PLA or not that someone can go in as a horn player and come out as the creator of the universe ...



Oct

Al Queda (spelling) also has no membership structure in the strictist sense of the world, they have they holy imam Osama and thats about it.

FLG has they holy god Li, and then his subordinates. To suggest that FLG has no heirarchial structure is laughable. The publications/propaganda, organisation of rallies, petitions are no ad-hoc by nature. The Canadian-FLG organisation links out towards the Montreal and Toronto FLG organisation. The often repeated lines of the FLG simply doesn't stick. Perhaps you've said the lines too many times that you no longer see what the current model of FLG is?

And why is it that i'am trying to debate you about FLG, but you always bring the CCP into the argument. Can't you debate the merits of your organisation without the linking to the CCP?

The bottom line is that FLG is a mind-controlling "group" (because boohoo, using cult is politically insensitive on anything the west decides it supports).

Take Christianity as an example. The decision on whether or not a person goes to heaven is decided by God (or St. Peters), not anyone on earth. Even the pope can't say whether or not anyone can or cannot go to heaven. This means that Christians are not bound to any living person.

Now, take the case of the suicide bombers in the decision there was taken by the Radical Imams who teach that if you commit suicide, "you will go to heaven with lots of virgin wives". In this case, the suicide bombers are under the mind-control of the Imams who claim this.

History is littered with examples of how people can be persuaded into doing things in the name of God, but in truth, the decision doesn't ly with anyone on this planet.

Now, take FLG, Li HongZhi conceives mind-control by telling practitioners in effect that if they practice FLG, they will,

Source

gain supernatural powers like X-ray vision and abnormally long lives.



Dr. Effie Poy Yew Chow, president of the American Qigong Association and a
consultant on alternative medicine for the National Institutes of Health,
said that while Falun Gong followers are urged to stop taking medicine to
cultivate themselves, "true qigong is about setting people free to make
choices and not dropping everything just to do one thing."


What choice do these people in FLG have when they are told not to take medicine, while they *can* quit, well, so can suicide bombers, but do they?

NO, this is because they are under mind-control.

P.S. On same website, you can also marvel at Master Li who claims he can;



he can cure cancer with a jolt from his fingertips



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 10:38 AM
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Master Li is one of Buddhas, when he is in this world, he just pretended that he is a normal person, not to surprise others.

He came here, this ugly world, to save us, trust him, then he can give you ethereal life.

After Sakyamuni left this world, Buddhism was going to a wrong direction, as Master Li said in his book, although other religions also tell you to the good things, they lead you to a wrong direction, so they are evil. Falungong is your only choice.
Read more from Master Li's book, www.minghui.org... first one, P42


Originally posted by rapier28

1952 Born
1960-1969, studying from elementary school to junior high school in ChangChun city(Pearl elementary school, No.4/No.48 junior high school)
1970-1978, playing horn in a horse farm at Unit201, Chinese Army
1078-1982, working as a waiter in a hotel in forest
1982-1991, working as a security in the food supplies company of ChangChun city
1991.... Create Fa Lun Gong and then be the leader, creator and god of it.




Oct

posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 07:08 AM
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Can't you debate the merits of your organisation without the linking to the CCP?

The laws in the society cannot change people's hearts, if sb wants to do bad things, he try to do it secretly. Therefore, no matter how many kind of laws have been made, there are always some criminals.

Falun Dafa can change people's hearts, the practitioners really want to be good persons from their hearts, and no matter they are being watched or not, they never do bad things.
If there are a lot of so good persons in a society, isn't it good for the society?


Oct

posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 07:09 AM
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Before the crackdown, the former premire Zhu Rongji once was interviewed by a Singapore reporter, he was asked if the government had planed to ban Falun Gong. Zhu said many people got a healthy body after practicing, this had saved a lot of medical expense for the country, we can use the money in building our country, why should we ban the practice?



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 10:37 PM
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haha, look like that fa lun gun practitioners don't even know how to debate. They can only say CCP is bad, they are opposite to CCP so they are good.But why don't you just show us some medical report or evidence to prove that Fa Lun Da Fa really works?

Also, if unfortunately one day you or your family member got serious disease like cancer, AIDS, don't worry because you have Fa Lun Da Fa.
You don't need to go to hospital, just practise it and then you will soon get well! It is really true according to the description in the book of "Fa Lun Da Fa" !!!


Originally posted by Oct


Can't you debate the merits of your organisation without the linking to the CCP?

The laws in the society cannot change people's hearts, if sb wants to do bad things, he try to do it secretly. Therefore, no matter how many kind of laws have been made, there are always some criminals.

Falun Dafa can change people's hearts, the practitioners really want to be good persons from their hearts, and no matter they are being watched or not, they never do bad things.
If there are a lot of so good persons in a society, isn't it good for the society?


Oct

posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 06:41 AM
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[ But why don't you just show us some medical report or evidence to prove that Fa Lun Da Fa really works?

Falun Gong has created many miracles in the world, that is one reason why so many people believe in the great practice.

below is a link of a collection of testimonials by people who experienced miraculous recoveries after embracing the powerful self-cultivation practice of Falun Gong. Following the path of "Truthfulness, Compassion, and Tolerance", has brought health, clarity, and wisdom to these people and many more.

www.clearwisdom.net...


Oct

posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 05:57 AM
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