Should we hold Mecca and Medina Hostage?, page 1

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 08:52 AM

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One of my crazy hillbilly friends thought up this idea. The United States should make public the idea that our war is with Islamic Terrorism, pure and simple. And, since they have no country to target, that the U.S. will be targeting Mecca and Medina as the homeland of Terror. Any significant terror attacks on the U.S. and her allies will be seen as a military attack upon the U.S., and the Homeland of Terror will be struck, possibly with nuclear arms.

Now this idea is, of course impossible, but is the simplicity of it usefull?

My main point being that we cannot defeat terrorism without the help of the countries in the middle east. And, we cannot seem to draw them into action. Perhaps simple threats are an answer. Terrorists know fear, they act to produce it. They are also fearless because they have nothing to fear for their families, their religion, and their way of life will be intact even if they die. How would they react to fear for things that they hold dear?

Could you force down terror with threats on their religion, their cities and religious sites?

Should the U.S. go crazy cowboy?

Zanzibar

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:03 AM

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We should completely and utterly irradicate these terorist assbandits with everything we have.

1. Destroy their religious sites, if they truly support their supposed 'gods' they will either or surrender or up the attacks. If they up the attacks, point 2 comes into effect.

2. Go all America WW2 on their ass, lock up anyone who supports the religion, stop all imigration, if anyone even tries to get in illegaly, they get shot. Simple. If this still doesnt stop them, move onto point 3.

3. Threaten to completely irradicate their religious capitals. This should stop them once and for all. If not, point 4 seems good.

4. Tactically 'liberate' any country that has had ties with terrorism. Move in and have utter control of all the oil and whatso you want. And as a plus, no terrorists.

andy1033

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:05 AM

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imagine if you were on opposite sides, you two would be considered terrorists just for saying such things, i suppose as long as youre not a muslim(or some minority) it does not matter

its an amazing double standard people have

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Zanzibar

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by andy1033
imagine if you were on opposite sides, you two would be considered terrorists just for saying such things, i suppose as long as youre not a muslim(or some minority) it does not matter

Though I did seem a bit sick and twisted in my last post, I do know that if someone invaded my country, I would become a 'terrorist' and try to get them the hell out. So I do understand why they are doing it, but noones invaded my country properly, so I dont have to even think about any scenario like that. And im not Muslim (or any other minority).

AlwaysLearning

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:14 AM

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you hidin' behind the name Zanzibar?

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert the people to Christianity."

Originally posted by Zanzibar
We should completely and utterly irradicate these terorist assbandits with everything we have.

1. Destroy their religious sites, if they truly support their supposed 'gods' they will either or surrender or up the attacks. If they up the attacks, point 2 comes into effect.

2. Go all America WW2 on their ass, lock up anyone who supports the religion, stop all imigration, if anyone even tries to get in illegaly, they get shot. Simple. If this still doesnt stop them, move onto point 3.

3. Threaten to completely irradicate their religious capitals. This should stop them once and for all. If not, point 4 seems good.

4. Tactically 'liberate' any country that has had ties with terrorism. Move in and have utter control of all the oil and whatso you want. And as a plus, no terrorists.

skippytjc

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:15 AM

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If somebody invaded my country, I would kill them, not my own countrymen....

What kind of retaliation is blowing up little kids and women in suicide attacks? Thats cowardly and below all levels of humanity.

"Ill teach them for invading my land, ill go blow up some of my countries kids!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!"

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andy1033

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:16 AM

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i am just saying that it is amazing double standard people have, it reminds me so much of the book 1984 by orwell, or if you have seen 1 of the 2 movies based on the book.

i was just saying if you were a muslim living in some muslim country, and you said such a thing you would be called a terrorist by the west, but saying those things in the west(as long as you speaking for the west) you are not called one.

it is like watching 1984 being played out in real live

Zanzibar

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
you hidin' behind the name Zanzibar?

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert the people to Christianity."

Originally posted by Zanzibar
We should completely and utterly irradicate these terorist assbandits with everything we have.

1. Destroy their religious sites, if they truly support their supposed 'gods' they will either or surrender or up the attacks. If they up the attacks, point 2 comes into effect.

2. Go all America WW2 on their ass, lock up anyone who supports the religion, stop all imigration, if anyone even tries to get in illegaly, they get shot. Simple. If this still doesnt stop them, move onto point 3.

3. Threaten to completely irradicate their religious capitals. This should stop them once and for all. If not, point 4 seems good.

4. Tactically 'liberate' any country that has had ties with terrorism. Move in and have utter control of all the oil and whatso you want. And as a plus, no terrorists.

Ha ha.

Invade thier countries, maybe, if it continues.

Kill their leaders, um, yes- even if it does stop, they are evil scum and deserve it, they treat their people like dog poo on shoe and expect praise for it. Pathetic.

Christianity Er........no. I am an atheist, though I do understand how my post put across that im a bible basher. I think religion is a load of bullcrap, always has been, always will be. The stroy of christ was probably just a story that got taken a wee bit too serious.

andy1033

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:20 AM

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just remember what happened after 911, the americans said they had no knowledge anything was going to happen, but now today we know that they had plenty of knowledge before hand(which is admited)

the problem is that when it happens in england, the english are far more secretive, and we will probably never get any thing close to the truth about what they knew beforehand, becuase i can guarentee you that nothing can happen like that without te british intelligence services knowing beforehand.

Zanzibar

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by skippytjc
If somebody invaded my country, I would kill them, not my own countrymen....

What kind of retaliation is blowing up little kids and women in suicide attacks? Thats cowardly and below all levels of humanity.

"Ill teach them for invading my land, ill go blow up some of my countries kids!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!"

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I would kill the invaders as well, not the invadees. Woen and children should not be drawn into war, unless they want too of course, but that kinda dosnt happen much.

Tinkleflower

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:22 AM

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4. Tactically 'liberate' any country that has had ties with terrorism. Move in and have utter control of all the oil and whatso you want. And as a plus, no terrorists.

So...we know there are terrorist cells in most of Europe, including the UK. And the US. And virtually every other Western nation.

Well, that's certainly one way of culling numbers. Wipe out the US, UK and Europe.

But I doubt your post referred to these nations, did it?

FWIW, "their God" is the same God as worshipped by Christians, too.

Just so's you include all the many Christian sites of worship in your plan.

Thomas Crowne

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by andy1033
imagine if you were on opposite sides, you two would be considered terrorists just for saying such things, i suppose as long as youre not a muslim(or some minority) it does not matter

its an amazing double standard people have

[edit on 8-7-2005 by andy1033]

Uh, no, Andy, it is not double standard to defend yourself. Why not stop and put that into the mix, huh? What does (or some minority) mean? Are you trying to do the stupid liberal, politically correct crap on a war? Yup; that's the way to keep your family from being blown up by the enemy!

Soulforge, to answer the original question about targeting the enemy's religious sites, or threatening to terget them, that would be against the Geneva Convention, and a stupid thing to do unless you want the entire Islamic world attempting to kill us. So, go back and tell your Hillbilly friend that he is a moron. Sure, he won't like that, but maybe between calling him a moron, and then harshly explaining the reasons why his idea was very, very stupid, he'll wake up and quit being a moron!

andy1033

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:25 AM

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they are evil scum and deserve it, they treat their people like dog poo on shoe and expect praise for it. Pathetic.

how much evil s***s do we have in the west. maybe you have not experienced the s**m we also have in the west, but you can guarentee that america and england have far more capacity to do evil than any of the muslim countries, just that they are able to hide it from public eyes.

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andy1033

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:29 AM
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What does (or some minority) mean? Are you trying to do the stupid liberal, politically correct crap on a war? Yup; that's the way to keep your family from being blown up by the enemy!

i meant by minority that minorities all more likely to treated like dirt by there own government than any muslim person coming over here, it is all relative.

Zanzibar

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower

Well, that's certainly one way of culling numbers. Wipe out the US, UK and Europe.

But I doubt your post referred to these nations, did it?

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Just so's you include all the many Christian sites of worship in your plan.

Why no, no it didnt. They didnt because there actually isnt any major terrorist groups in any of these countries that could pose any kind of threat to other nations. Apart from the ones they havea grudge with.

The IRA are only interested in England so take them out at the source.

The US? I might be dumb, but I dont know any groups in the US, I dont really look into them. Except islamic ones that got in.

I do see what I said was a bit extreme, but I really do hate the idiots who blow innocent people up. Im probably all wound up because someone I know was on the tube at the time of he bombings on Edgeware street and I ahvent heard anything from him yet. So sorry that I sounded so tyrannical.

KhieuSamphan

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Zanzibar
The US? I might be dumb, but I dont know any groups in the US, I dont really look into them. Except islamic ones that got in.

Would Tim McVeigh's brethren count?

soulforge

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:34 AM
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A terrorist is one that inflicts Terror. So, if The U.S. came out and said the above things I've stated earlier, the U.S. would be, in fact, a Terrorist.

Is that wrong?

I've asked the question before, how do you react to Terrorists? It's way too complicated...

If you fight them you create more of them.

If you ignore them they hit bigger and bigger until you react, or until you die.

If you try to reason with them, they discover Terror as a means to get what they want.

The western world is what it is. A large mass of people with wants and desires, and a large mass of corporations trying to make money by meeting those desires. Third world populations often get in the way of these ideas.

We have a lot of idealists and zealots, and radicals and philosophers on here. But, we're not going to change anything that the western world does. Unless you're willing do drop about half the western worlds population, turn off the power plants,and force everyone to make their own food, nothing will change.

The only way to get rid of Terrorism is to remove its reason for existence. The only way to remove its reason for existence is to bring the Third world into the First world. The easiest way to do this is to promote Western Democracy, even with a touch of liberal socialism. Get rid of the dictators, the multinational corporate influence, and put it in the hands of the people.

The problem with Islam is that it is in conflict with western democratic thought, in terms of separation of church/state, freedom of the press, and equality. How does one breach that gulf? Islam will always have that radical end, even if you bring living up to first world standards?

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andy1033

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:39 AM
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it all depends on what is the real reason for the terrorism that is going onat the mo. there is no way that the general public can really make a good judgement because all the public are using is only bits of the jicksaw that we are given(something that is meant to happen)
so no one can say do this or do that, because the situation is not black or white like the news wants to believe.

soulforge

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne

Originally posted by andy1033
imagine if you were on opposite sides, you two would be considered terrorists just for saying such things, i suppose as long as youre not a muslim(or some minority) it does not matter

its an amazing double standard people have

[edit on 8-7-2005 by andy1033]

Uh, no, Andy, it is not double standard to defend yourself. Why not stop and put that into the mix, huh? What does (or some minority) mean? Are you trying to do the stupid liberal, politically correct crap on a war? Yup; that's the way to keep your family from being blown up by the enemy!

Soulforge, to answer the original question about targeting the enemy's religious sites, or threatening to terget them, that would be against the Geneva Convention, and a stupid thing to do unless you want the entire Islamic world attempting to kill us. So, go back and tell your Hillbilly friend that he is a moron. Sure, he won't like that, but maybe between calling him a moron, and then harshly explaining the reasons why his idea was very, very stupid, he'll wake up and quit being a moron!

OK, it's against the Geneva Convention. Who enforces this? If I assume correctly, it is all other signatories of the Convention. So is a threat against the Convention, if we don't do it?

And I think about 10% of the Islamic world wants to kill us already, and they have no reason to not try to kill us right now.

Perhaps the U.N. could help? I think I heard that they were planning on coming in late after their lunch yesterday to think about scribing a strongly worded statement condeming the London bombings.

andy1033

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:42 AM
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The only way to get rid of Terrorism is to remove its reason for existence. The only way to remove its reason for existence is to bring the Third world into the First world. The easiest way to do this is to promote Western Democracy, even with a touch of liberal socialism. Get rid of the dictators, the multinational corporate influence, and put it in the hands of the people.

to do that you need to bring down the quality of live for most in the western world, do the population want that no.

with that democratic stuff, do we in the west really choice our leaders, i think not.