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reply posted on 8-7-2005 @ 09:50 AM by kozmo
Sound like you are looking for a home/self defense weapon, right? Stay away from a 9mm... PERIOD! The muzzle velocity is far too high for practical defense purposes. In most cases a 9 slug will pass right through your victim and then possibly through any walls or other people unfortunate enough to be behind the intruder. There's 2 negatives to this: 1.) you risk hitting additional persons unintentionally and 2.) the intruder will often have time to counter-attack before they even realize that they've been hit.

Think about this for a minute... most cases where you will need a handgun will be for pure stopping power, not muzzle velocity. Velocity is most important in rifles and other long-range firearms where accuracy over a great range is important. You will generally be in close proximity to your attacker, say within about 15 meters. Much further away than that and handguns aren't all that accurate.

I own a variety of weapons that have a variety of uses. For home protection I recommend the Smith and Wesson 10mm with hollow-point rounds. It offers the feel of the 9mm but features the stopping power of a much bigger gun, plus it's affordable, will not pass through your attacker or walls and has IMMEDIATE stopping power! Another nice touch is the optional trigger-guard-mounted laser sight guaged for about 20 to 25 feet. Wherever you have that little red dot lined up will become a nice sized hole once you pull the trigger... and your attacker should be smart enough to realize it too. It also helps in sighting in your target in the dark.

Hope this helps and good luck.


reply posted on 8-7-2005 @ 11:27 AM by Winchester Ranger T
Some good advice and some total BS (e.g. don't get a 9mm they go straight through people, get a 10mm instead )

Forget about one shot stops, they are a myth. ALL handgun rounds are by their nature under-powered. There is an old saying about only using your handgun to fight your way to your long gun.

Revolvers are easy to use, and you could certainly do a lot worse than a good old Smith & Wesson Model 10 with a 4 inch barrel in .38 Special.

Based on volume of sales, Glocks are the most popular self defence handgun in the USA. They are simple and reliable, but in my opinion are not an ideal choice for a novice shooter because of their trigger configuration. Yes, I'm one of those people who thinks that Glocks go bang a little too easily.

Having said that, a Glock 17 would make a superb home defence weapon if you are prepared to spend some time becoming proficient (and safe) with it, but make sure you get the factory original FML (metal lined) drop free standard capacity magazines. The neutered 10 round magazines have all but disappeared, but there are some out there still being sold to unsuspecting buyers.

Personally, I would only look at 9mm automatics unless you feel strongly for a wheel gun (revolver). They have mild recoil and practice ammunition is cheap (buy the Winchester White Box 100 round packs from Walmart), double stack guns also offer high capacity, and with the right ammunition offer every bit as much in the way of terminal ballistics (ripping holes in people) as the more demanding .40S&W and .45ACP.

Personal recommendations - H&K USP compact, H&K P2000 full size (not the SK), SiG P226, SiG P228, SiG P239, Glock 17, Glock 19.

Next - ammunition, I've covered what you should use for practice, now let's consider personal defence. You should go with a high quality Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP) in a +P (higher pressure) loading. Arguably the best load out there right now is........the Winchester Ranger T 127 grain +P+ (check out my screen name), failing that the NYPD's standard load is also a superb performer (Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P) both are a little more difficult to find but can be had from on line resources. There are other good loadings, even in standard pressure, but if you can get one of these 2, you have the best out there based on actual shootings.

One final thought - I'm calling BS on the guy who claims to have not one but two Beretta PX4s, those guns are not currently available for civilian sale. If he can supply the name and address of a gun store that carries them, I'll apologize - otherwise I'm calling him a BS artist (I got one for the wife's purse )
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