Stop blaming Al-Qaeda on the London Bombings!, page 5
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reply posted on 8-7-2005 @ 01:25 AM by AgentSmith
Originally posted by UFObeliever
I find it tough to believe that the security cameras didn't get something suspicous on them. I am not going to make accusations as it just happened today and no ones really knows much about who did it.


The people that commit these crimes are very well trained in carrying out these tasks. There not a bunch of amateurs, bombs can be easily concealed and it's not possible to pay attention to what every single individual is doing on each monitor.
CCTV is fine but when you've got a handful of people watching entire banks of screens with millions of people on them every day it's unfair and unrealisitic to expect them to pick up the terrorists in advance.

Well sadly it looks like the terrorists are winning and with bonuses because so many of you are entertaining the idea that our own people carried it out.

For all of you that don't believe in these terrorists, there's a website you can go on (I can't give out the web address as I've seen people get warend before due ot the graphic nature), and there a plenty of pictures of terrorist attacks and the aftermath in the middle east. Even a few videos of buses blowing up and stuff so after you've seen that then try and say it's not real.

And WeBDeviL, some of us do appreciate what you are doing, thank you.
I work next to a military base and a lot of our customers are from there and get posted out to places like Afghanistan and Iraq, it's sad what you hear about when they're out there.


reply posted on 8-7-2005 @ 01:43 AM by Majic
The Bell Curve

Some people will believe anything, others will believe nothing.

On ATS, we represent a continuum of thought and opinions that exists between these extremes.

One thing we all have in common is that we talk about these things here, with one another.

People come to ATS for various reasons, but every member who contributes to ATS does so for the same reason: to discuss the issues with fellow ATSers.

If any of us knew all the answers, there would be no need for discussion.

Thus, by our presence here, all ATSers acknowledge that they don't know everything. That means you can be wrong about things -- maybe a lot of things -- just like I can be.

If we keep that in mind, all of us will benefit from it. In threads like this one, this concept is illustrated well.

Knowing that any of us can be wrong, I can respect the opinions of my fellow members even if I think they are bogus.

Why? Because I know that there is always the not-so-remote chance that I'm the one who's wrong. I've been wrong plenty of times before, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

Should this thread have been pulled? I don't think so. I prefer to see all theories, regardless of my personal opinions (I think the premise of this thread is nonsense), given a fair hearing. That allows me to make up my own mind.

I prefer not to outsource my thinking, and choose to make my own assessments of truth or fiction.

My judgment is not perfect, but at least it's mine.

And on ATS, that's what counts.


reply posted on 8-7-2005 @ 03:24 AM by IMMORTAL
The media corporations always say it is al qaeda and so do the world "leaders". What is al qaeda anyway? Where is it co-ordinated from? Have the world "leaders" answered this question? The easiest thing to do was to name already present words that the majority of the public is conditioned to--al qaeda, bin laden, islamic terrorism, etc. The only evidence they can come up with is some statement on a website?

The group known as al qaeda may very well exist, but, in my opinion, it has done nothing of benefit for those of the islamic faith, or any islamic nation. It (al qaeda) seems to benefit the respective "victim", or the Country in which the tragedy occurs -- justification for retaliatory force (war), making laws in the Country which place more restrictions on its citizens, etc.

The way these major terror attacks are carried out only suggests that the people behind them are very professional. This London tragedy has occurred, like 9/11, in one of the most heavily monitored Countrys in the world, with world class security forces and intel agencies. The perpetrators of this particular tragedy have eluded detection. Wow, al qaeda can escape detection from Britains intel agecies?

The way I see it, the people like Bush or Blair have no idea what happens under their nose. These guys have bigger bosses. Notice how past US presidents have been assassinated? Some one else controls the show.

What ever this terror thing is, as portrayed by the media and world "leaders", it extends its arm over some of the most industrialized and militarily protected Countries. I think this kind of stuff is going to happen again in the future, that's obvious. The only thing you can hope is that you are not going to be in the wrong place when these professional forces decide to strike again at the innocents of the most guarded nations in the world.

I'd rather believe in a conspiracy than accept what the corporate media says is truth.


reply posted on 8-7-2005 @ 03:43 AM by Majic
The Challenge Of Independent Thought

Originally posted by IMMORTAL
The media corporations always say it is al qaeda and so do the world "leaders". What is al qaeda anyway? Where is it co-ordinated from? Have the world "leaders" answered this question? The easiest thing to do was to name already present words that the majority of the public is conditioned to--al qaeda, bin laden, islamic terrorism, etc. The only evidence they can come up with is some statement on a website?

My advice, if these things are unknown to you, is to research them, rather than waiting for world leaders to educate you. If you're waiting for politicians to tell you the truth, you're in for a very long wait.

Once you have thoroughly researched Al Qaeda for yourself, you will not be free of questions by any means, but you may at least move beyond the basic bewilderment you are expressing here, and be able to post opinions which carry more weight.

There is no shortage of information on the subject of Al Qaeda and its history, but is is up to you to look at it and make your own decisions. To do otherwise is to fall into the very same trap you accuse others of falling into.

The truth is out there, but it is only available to those who seek it. Lies, on the other hand, are routinely delivered to your door.

My advice is to look into all this and see for yourself what is fact and what is fiction. Once you have done that, you will never look at the world the same way again.


reply posted on 8-7-2005 @ 05:20 AM by aape
Just came to say that the documentary is GREAT! .. No matter if u believe conspiracies or not. It just gives good info about war over communism etc. which in prior i had very little knowledge. Now i understand the consept "cold war"
Please ppl. Watch the document.
I´m still not jumping conclusions if it was al qaida or not because my point of view is that this whole terrorism ideal is just to scare people so military powers could be "justifiedly" awaken. Which have already happened.
Don´t let this thing build hatred. I have seen here in Finland when somalian refugees flocked here to safety from the civil war. Now iraqis are doing the same, family after family have come to seek refuge from here. Same thing with kosovo.
And we give them refuge, we are small nation and doing moderated progress at world, little influence but we have our freedom and independence which was gained throught big sacrifices during both world wars. And i´m trying to compare the situation in states to our country. In here there have never been problems with any ethnic group. When they start living here they get the idea that people want to just work and live good life. And they also have the idea what would happen if that scary islam against western would fullfill at here.(no we wouldn´t attack somewhere, there would be just awfull lot of lynching at the streets. When people go here berserk it´s out of control)
But to this point it hasn´t happened. People are just happy to be here.
I´m trying to say here that i´m sorry if my views of iraq war are demoralizing to good people of usa. I would be pissed off if my country men would be dying and people said that it´s wrong and they got what deserved.
But that´s life today. I blame governments, not people. We if any nation know how #ty war is. Lost half our people defending this country against ussr.
And if u look the middle east conflict i have to say that they must feel similar feeling for them as our country feeled when russia came with full arsenal. No bloody chance but have to try anyway. In our case it surely was worth it, we beated them with zero to million chances.
Big country attacking theirs. Bad example would be rest of world attacking states but u got the idea. It´s hard to be on both sides really . I´m sad because soldiers after soldiers go on to uncertain death in some distant place which really isn´t their problem so to speak.
And equally sad i´m for those people living in center of all the #. The oridinary people who just want to work and try to live good life, it must be hard when your own people in religious fanaticity blow up things. Still so hard to understand.
Maybe it´s the thing that they say in the documentary. Jihad + the idea that western world "polluted" their religion and middle east so their own people are corrupted also. Hard to understand if not islamic.
peace and prosperity, hope we can make a change. It´s a slim chance but one must try or die trying. I will not stop posting here my views until peace comes or some kind of truth shall let the world free. War is never answers, only reasonable thinking. If the fact is that there are islamic fundamentalists whose cause for living is to die at martyric suicidal explosien. Then answer is to get those people realize that there are more problems to be solved than that, and it would need an step forward from western alliance.

Like israel and palestinians, it´s clear that palestinians are so bloody pissed that they wouldn´t never start peace. But if israelis would take the hero step towards them and say "we are tired to this violence, we apologize and kindly ask you to live with us as neighbours". Maybe somekind of progress would happen. But always when peacetalks are starting either side does something stupid and it starts from beginning. Only people who suffer from this are those who wouldn´t want it to happen anyway.
peace and prosperity.
-aape
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