Originally posted by KhieuSamphan

Originally posted by AgentSmith
At the end of the day mate, you, me or anyone else could go nutso and round up a bunch of equally wacko mates and do some real damge. But we don;t becasue we don't want to.. Sadly there are people out there that do.. do you get my drift?

Of course there are, but it is incorrect to assume that the people capable of commiting such acts could never be fellow countrymen.

I think you helped confirm his point, maybe that's what you meant to do. But what he was getting at is the difference between us and them and that you wouldn't want them as a neighbor.

Sorry Frosty, I don't getcha. Howe have I confirmed his point. Explain, my old china.

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
It was a branch of Al-Qaeda. "Jihad in Europe". Terrorists exist. Extremists exist. Stop with the conspiracies on this, it's sickening.

These people were injured by fundamentalists, and all you do is try to turn it into a conspiracy. What has ATS gone to these days. It's garbage.

I'll be in Iraq in a few days, so you can all call that a conspiracy and tell me how I am part of the "Great Satan" who is "murdering babies" in Iraq.



-wD

ur probably working for haliburton?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
The poster was talking about this :

"download the video The Shadows in the Cave. The third part of a BBC produced film called "The Power of Nightmares". "

If you were to watch it you would see that it is very professionally done with interviews from the likes of Irving Cristol. It is most informative, and more importantly, it would seem, credible.

They can do it as professionally as they want, that doesn't mean it's correct or credible.
Al Q exsisted long before January '01. That's fact.
Blaming the Bush administration for creating Al Q to further their goals. Pure fiction.

01 you say mhm...which year did bush get into office btw??

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Sorry Frosty, I don't getcha. Howe have I confirmed his point. Explain, my old china.

Well, he told you a story that even he and a few of his friends, under correct circumstances, would be capable of such atrocities. Then you went on to state that we shouldn't shun away people capable of such atrocities. So, in other words, he agreed he is friends with people who are capable of terrorist actions and you stated that you don't mind people who are capable of these actions being your friend. Then I stated, true that, but you and I wouldn't want the ones commiting the atrocities to be our friends.

I obviously havn't watched the video yet, but reading the BBC article it just says what I already did. If nothing else Al Qaeda (I know I've spelt it many different ways btw) is at least a powerful symbol.

Regardless of this there are still fanatics out there carrying out these atrocities and they must be defeated, or at least we must not give into them.

Even if the media/goverenment have elaborated on this, maybe they are just giving us a face and name for us to fight against to keep morale up If they portrayed the enemy as faceless then they would seem even more indimidating and they would have even more power over us which is what they want. By creating a name and face for them this will help us from a psycological point of view in a difficult war.

Maybe the conspiracy goes no further than that.

Maybe the real hideous truth is that there is no real grand scale organisation and destroying and killing 1,2,3 or more people is not going to make the problem go away. Maybe there are pockets of people out there who allegedly follow some form of faith or belief and are intent on destroying our way of life. Todays events, if not all suicide bombs, could have been carried out with as little as 3/4 people, maybe even less depending on the methods used. The WTC took hundreds/thousands of people and years to complete, yet only took about a dozen people and a couple hours to destroy. That's scary...
Claming teh governement is the cowards way out, and I don;t blame you because to be able to blame an institution, or face or organisation is easy and gives you a target to fight against.

However the truth is far, far more scary and far more simple than that I fear.

^^ Like it LOL

Maybe if we all shut our eyes, he will go away, yes?

Thanks Netchicken....

now lets all pay respect to the victims and observe a moment of meditation/prayer and sheepleness..

that kind of defeats the purpose, if this was done by someone who will get away with it, by hiding behind misguided patriotism...

comeon... that is the purpose of this site...
to explore other possibilities when the actions occur...
and ask the questions that need to be asked while they are relevant...

we all are eager to see who did this, but lets not assume and blame a unknown organization (who until now, has been quiet) and let the true villian get away...

And once again...
seriously... pray for the victims, and pray that they weren't pawns...

oh yes! lets burry our heads in the sand and believe the muslim extremist just freakin love us! Those bombs in london were put there by Bush, he was in england afterall! once again this agenda gets pushed

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
oh yes! lets burry our heads in the sand and believe the muslim extremist just freakin love us! Those bombs in london were put there by Bush, he was in england afterall! once again this agenda gets pushed

No I know the answer, the guy who was mayor of New York on 9/11 was here in London and was near one of the blasts (that is actually true if you didn't know), maybe it's him.. LOL

Originally posted by AgentSmith

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
oh yes! lets burry our heads in the sand and believe the muslim extremist just freakin love us! Those bombs in london were put there by Bush, he was in england afterall! once again this agenda gets pushed

No I know the answer, the guy who was mayor of New York on 9/11 was here in London and was near one of the blasts (that is actually true if you didn't know), maybe it's him.. LOL

can't you just be a little serious since so many people died?
I am sorry, but that is just plain rude...
and assuming ANYTHING this early is just plain ignorant...
Lots of people hate America and the UK...
If you have knowledge that says who commited it, then you need to make a call to Interpol...

I take it very seriously, you'll see that from my other posts. I was simply trying to point out how absurd a lot of these claims are and you'll see I've already voiced that I think a ridiculous discussion like this is not appropiate at this time.
Please try to look at this in context.
The LOL was trying to imply sarcasm as opposed to a genuine idea, I probably didn't put it across very well in afterthought.. Sorry.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by Frosty

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Sorry Frosty, I don't getcha. Howe have I confirmed his point. Explain, my old china.

Well, he told you a story that even he and a few of his friends, under correct circumstances, would be capable of such atrocities. Then you went on to state that we shouldn't shun away people capable of such atrocities. So, in other words, he agreed he is friends with people who are capable of terrorist actions and you stated that you don't mind people who are capable of these actions being your friend. Then I stated, true that, but you and I wouldn't want the ones commiting the atrocities to be our friends.

I didn't intend for the interpretation that you have arrived at.

Oh I've had enough of this, why can't you all at least wait for them to finish counting the bodies. We could have lost at least several of our members today and god knows how many people have lost or waiting to hear from family.
It's just as sick as the freak that txted one of the guys at work with some sort of sick joke about the whole thing.. Give it a break for gods sake and at least wait for some more info. Try and have some decency.

This thread should have stayed in the trash where it belongs from the start.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Give it a break for gods sake and at least wait for some more info. Try and have some decency.

To be fair, it does take two to tango.

I've been trying to wake people up to the cold hard facts instead of allowing them to go around with these crazy ideas in their head's when we need to stand together and with our governments against this enemy.
Having us bickering amonst ourselves and putting forward the laughable ideas that our own government are behind it, on the day of the attack none the less, are more than the terrosits could ever hope for. Your just playing their game.

Originally posted by CPYKOmega
Everyone here has to realize that the US gov't created Al-Qaeda. Also The British gov't's fingerprints were all over the current terrorist attack in london. Yet the media still fails to cover the real truth.

no, Osama says he created Al Qaeda. not by the U.S. govt or by the British govt unless u telling the primary source which is Osama bin laden that he is wrong that America created u.

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Having us bickering amonst ourselves and putting forward the laughable ideas that our own government are behind it, on the day of the attack none the less, are more than the terrosits could ever hope for. Your just playing their game.

I used to be like you, but from the other side. Then I came to the conclusion that people's views are very hard to change, once they are embedded, even with what you may call evidence/facts etc..
There will always be bickering, because, in case no one has noticed, there are two well established camps - Official conspiracy theorists and unofficial conspiracv theorists.
The funny thing is, it wouldn't suprise me at all if the truth lay in neither camp.