Originally posted by WissNX01
Yeah, its all about Bush and Blair wanting this for thier war on terror.

Yes, it is.

Its all about the Jews and thier secret plan to take over the world. Oh heavens NO!, dont blame proven terrorists or Al Qaeda!, for Islam is a peaceful religion and Al Qaeda is a humanitarian group!!

Now you're being dramatic and you're not taking this seriously at all. This is not a joke wiss. Maybe you should do a bit more research on the existance of Al-Qaeda first before you reject everything I say.

Bull crap! Al Qaeda and the Taliban oppressed and destroyed the people and country of Afganistan. They have been responsible for bombing anything, everything, and everyone under the sun. They use children to strap bombs to, and march them off to blow up other MUSLIMS up. Oh, lets not forget the train bombing is Spain, the USS Cole, or that little insignifigant event of 9-11. Lets ignore the fact that these peaceful people like to chop off heads and put it on the internet. Heck, now they are capturing thier own people and knocking them off.

Yeah, lets just keep blaming Bush and Blair.

Really? Funny how you mentioned 9/11. Blair and Bush's War in Iraq approval numbers has been dropping considerably. More than 65% disapprove the War on Iraq in Britain. Americans are coming very close to that number. Get the picture?

Originally posted by Frosty
So Al-Queada doesn't exist because it doesn't fit your agenda of government involvement in every major terrorist attack? Try again...

Ok. In my infamous wisdom i will tell you that the only way to further an "agenda" is to bump off a few people, small price to pay.













Explosions In London - Who Stands To Gain? Israel Warned, Cover-up In Progress

Propaganda Matrix | July 7 2005

BREAKING: Scrambled cover-up to try and change prior knowledge story.

Original reports stated that Binyamin Netanyahu was warned BEFORE the first blast, now all the Associated Press reports are being changed to say he was warned AFTER the first blast, for example this article.

The article linked below that we saved in our own format (and the website that carried it has strangely since crashed) said that Netanyahu was warned before the first blast.

Israel are now denying they got a warning.

BREAKING: Scotland Yard says it got a warning before the attack and told Israel.

"The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit."

Full article here. BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID.

sORRY BUT I WONT SWALLOW IT.

So I guess the government was behind the Embassy attacks in Kenya and Tanzania, the marine barrack bombing in Saudi Arabia, the USS Cole, the embassy in Beirut, and the marine barracks in Beirut and the OKC bombing? Right? The government was behind all of these and the organizations the Iranian Pasdaran was helping and the organizations Mummar Khadafy was giving millions to do not exist? Arafat's Al Fatah I suppose was really more like Greenpeace?

Please, give me a break and show evidence of their non-existence other than your own paranoia. I am not going to give you the proof of their existence as you know clearly where to find it. I don't know where to find your proof, no one does. Share it.

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan

Originally posted by AgentSmith
The BBC found the 'evidence' that points to Al Quade independantly on an Islamic website.

And that proves the existence of said group, in your eyes, does it?

No, but ever since 9/11 the name of Al Quada has been in circulation and regardless or not wherever it was real at the time, now that groups are taking credit under it's umbrella it is now definately real. It is after all a name, symbolism and they are using it. And 'they' are not Bush or Blair.

Remeber, Al Quada is not a person or country, it is supposed to be an organisation but I believe it is more than that, now more than ever, it is a symbol.. It is the symbol of 'them' the people against us.

a claim on the internet is hardly evidence.

until they sift through the rubble and find REAL evidence then we are all just speculating.

Any group of islamics now may call themselves whatever they want.
wait and see everyone.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I find it hillarious that people believe so easily if something is posted on sites like propagandamatrix, but then tell US not to watch CNN or Fox news, etc.


You think you're getting real information or real news there buddy? lol
Don't be so easily fooled. Those sites know how to spin propaganda much better than the mainstream news media.

The poster was talking about this :

"download the video The Shadows in the Cave. The third part of a BBC produced film called "The Power of Nightmares". "

If you were to watch it you would see that it is very professionally done with interviews from the likes of Irving Cristol. It is most informative, and more importantly, it would seem, credible.

Originally posted by AgentSmith
No, but ever since 9/11 the name of Al Quada has been in circulation and regardless or not wherever it was real at the time, now that groups are taking credit under it's umbrella it is now definately real. It is after all a name, symbolism and they are using it. And 'they' are not Bush or Blair.

Remeber, Al Quada is not a person or country, it is supposed to be an organisation but I believe it is more than that, now more than ever, it is a symbol.. It is the symbol of 'them' the people against us.

Are you aware that the very term 'Al-Qaeda' was coined by an American court. It explains all this in the video.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by KhieuSamphan]

At the end of the day mate, you, me or anyone else could go nutso and round up a bunch of equally wacko mates and do some real damge. But we don't becasue we don't want to.. Sadly there are people out there that do.. do you get my drift? Today was real bad and so was 9/11, but if you break it down they were ludicrously simple with the bare minimum of resources.

Let's not forget the Madrid train bombings, are you suggesting that Blair and Bush did those as well? Maybe it was the french government? I know it was the oppposition party because they knew it would get the elected..
Give me a break..

[edit on 7-7-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
It is the symbol of 'them' the people against us.

can u be more specific as to who is them against us? Islamic extremists or the whole entire Muslims population including the Muslim Americans. the moderators and the conservatives. the shiites and other various Muslims. be more specific.

Originally posted by AgentSmith
At the end of the day mate, you, me or anyone else could go nutso and round up a bunch of equally wacko mates and do some real damge. But we don;t becasue we don't want to.. Sadly there are people out there that do.. do you get my drift?

Of course there are, but it is incorrect to assume that the people capable of commiting such acts could never be fellow countrymen.

Originally posted by deltaboy

Originally posted by AgentSmith
It is the symbol of 'them' the people against us.

can u be more specific as to who is them against us? Islamic extremists or the whole entire Muslims population including the Muslim Americans. the moderators and the conservatives. the shiites and other various Muslims. be more specific.

I mean whoever the people against us are, race or religon is fundamentaly irrelevant. The people opposed to Western civilisation, to the extent of destroying it, if you will.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by AgentSmith]

Have to say i have always suspected that wtc was a inside job, moscow bombings were copycat inside job to get the war to tsetsenia. etc
Bought the whole package and now this. London.
Can´t blame the timing thought..for western war alliance.
Why would this happen just when there were talkings about uk pulling it troops off from iraq.
Well..they blame al qaida and now usa has put every kind code oranges what ever to alert, and italy&denmark must be shuddering.
If now the war is going larger on middle east, i must say it will be like bad comedy.
Not made my mind about this event yet. Yup they are terrorist or anyway the same men who have planned all these events.
But to who they will work for, that´s the cookie yet to be solved. Is it the all mysterious osama, or is osama on the same payroll as bush&co.
Just hoping that i´m wrong, and the same hysterical patriotic bull# "Let´s roll and blast the whole middle-east" doesn´t come back twice as hard.

I just fear that all these people are muppets who are working for the same boss. And boss wants the power, power is money, money is oil and how he is gonna get it?
He put´s islamic terrorist to attack states, and then draw the rest of the globe with the same act. I hope i´m wrong.
Is this never gonna end?
-aape

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Are you aware that the very term 'Al-Qaeda' was coined by an American court. It explains all this in the video.

Did you know that American pioneers called the natives here "indians"? The indians did not call themselves indians.

I'm glad you posted though, because now I know (using the same logic) that the so called 'indians" must never have existed.

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Are you aware that the very term 'Al-Qaeda' was coined by an American court. It explains all this in the video.

Did you know that American pioneers called the natives here "indians"? The indians did not call themselves indians.

I'm glad you posted though, because now I know (using the same logic) that the so called 'indians" must never have existed.

Nice. I didn't know that.

I concur with ThatsJustWeird. You people are pulling this garbage off of PROPAGANDAMATRIX.COM? WOW, REAL CREDIBLE! I wonder why i haven't heard of them? Perhaps it's because i chose not to dabble in ridiculously absurd claims that Al Queda doesn't exist, or that terrorists aren't real. Why don't you conspiracy nuts ask a soldier who returned from Iraq or Afghanistan if terrorists are real?

It's easy to jump on the Bush-hating bandwagon, but don't jump on it because you think he's responsible for terrorist attacks, because he isn't. If you're gonna get on it, make it because of social security or troop deployment or the economy--a REAL issue. Don't just hate your president and his administration to be a hip, idiotic geek who is so bogged down in uninsightful government conspiracies who woo's the women with "NWO Shadow Government" stories and how Osama Bin Laden is just make believe.

Get a grip, stop being so paranoid, and watch and read REAL news. Thank you, my rant here is done.

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
The poster was talking about this :

"download the video The Shadows in the Cave. The third part of a BBC produced film called "The Power of Nightmares". "

If you were to watch it you would see that it is very professionally done with interviews from the likes of Irving Cristol. It is most informative, and more importantly, it would seem, credible.

They can do it as professionally as they want, that doesn't mean it's correct or credible.
Al Q exsisted long before January '01. That's fact.
Blaming the Bush administration for creating Al Q to further their goals. Pure fiction.

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan

If you were to watch it you would see that it is very professionally done with interviews from the likes of Irving Cristol. It is most informative, and more importantly, it would seem, credible.

Well tv programmes don't always tell the truth, Farenheit 9/11 might have seemed crediblew and even though a lot of information might have been fact a lot was made up, inclduing photoshopped newspaper headlines out of context etc.

If someone has an agenda and wants to follwo it they will twist it whatever way they want.

On the news the other reasons for believing it might be Al Queda, apart from the apparant confession, was the way in which it had been carried out similar to the Madrid train bombings.

If you don't think it was them, who do you think it was? And don't start crying it was Tony or George... be honest now?

I can see they would, in the message which I briefly scanned through the Afghanistan and Iraq wars are mentioned I believe. Basically we are at war and have been for some time.

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Well tv programmes don't always tell the truth,

You are right on the button there. My point was that it wasn't PropagandaMatrix, or GodLikeProductions or some such. It was from a tv network that I thought had a bit more credibility than the sites mentioned, but as you quite rightly say, that doesn't make it true.