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Did The Mossad Know But Kept Quiet About London Attacks ??

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posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake
Except we were attacked, several times, before the War on Terrorism even began. How can that be explained away? These tactics are not new, but the excuses for them are.


So you believe that the War on Terrorism will not create retaliatory attacks in the countries who are currently engaged in it?




posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 02:28 PM
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I believe the attacks will be blamed on the War on Terror, but I also believe the attacks would come either way. At least this way we've mounted a defense, and are removing safe havens for terrist training grounds. Either way, the attacks will come. America is a cultural juggernaught, and the culture of freedom and liberty, along with western ideals, is spreading to places where a few extremists would prefer to keep a feudal system of government allowing barons to rule with impunity. Because of this, America will always be an enemy to freedom, no matter what we do. Anyone who allies themselves with America is also an enemy of these people. The goal is the same, the tactics are the same, only the excuses attempting to justify them has changed.



posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake
I believe the attacks will be blamed on the War on Terror, but I also believe the attacks would come either way. At least this way we've mounted a defense, and are removing safe havens for terrist training grounds.


So you're saying no matter what terrorist attacks aren't going to be stopped. So why bother trying to stop it? You're simply killing people in the process that didn't need to be killed. The terror will still happen, but more non-terrorist civilians in Middle Eastern countries will be fruitlessly blown away as part of collateral damage in a war that won't even stop what it is allegedly attempting to stop. And in the process of killing people in the Middle East, it simply creates more terrorists who will seek revenge for attacks upon their people.

This war is unwinnable and you admitted it. So it should not be fought. Its that simple.



posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 02:48 PM
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No, I'm saying we would be attacked either way. The war can't be won over night, no. There will be terrorist attacks in the future, just like there were terrorist attacks in the past. However, we can win this war. Is your alternative to sit back and let the terrorists attack us, but at least other nations wouldn't have to be harmed, even if they condoned or supported the attacks?

This war can be won, but it will be tough. We are fighting an enemy whose policy is to hide among innocents, pretend to be an innocent, then kill those innocents. They are harder to root out and destroy than an army wearing its colors. At least then you know who your enemy is.

No one said it would be easy, but we're not going to bend over and invite it.

As Scott Ott put it on his blog,


"Modern civilization had a good long run," said one unnamed global diplomat, "and these Qaeda chaps have made a serious proposal that one must consider. It should spark thoughtful discussion at the G8 about whether Western values have become obsolete in the face of the growing popularity of this progressive Islamic lifestyle."


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posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 03:04 PM
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Exactly right. This guy Andy must also believe that terrorism is some kind of Jew conspiracy to rid the world of Islam.

I have been watching the news all day, multiple channels, and not once was the CIA meantioned or the Mossad. Just because many things are a conspiracy does not mean everything is a conspiracy.



posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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Blaming everyone BUT those who perpetrated a crime is a very common tactic for those who can't handle the fact that their very way of life is under attack.

It's sad, but common. It continues 4 years after 9/11 here in New York so it's a safe bet that it will continue in London as well.



posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 03:16 PM
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Right, and if the Brits retaliate, in a few years, or even months, you will see these anti-war people comming out of the woodwork, and saying how Bush and Blair staged all this for thier own gain.

Thank god the Generals and Admirals dont take orders from some of these crazy bastards.



posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 08:32 PM
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Yeah, except if the Generals and Admirals had had their way during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we might have bombed the heck out of Cuba....and who knows what would have happened then.
I dont think your statement will necessarily be true.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 09:54 PM
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It was reported in a few news articles early on that the Israeli embassy was notified that there was intelligence indicating an attack in London was imminent.

NO WHERE IS THE MOSSAD MENTIONED!!!

THE ISRAELI EMBASSY ANNOUNCED THEY WERE NOTIFIED. How do we know that the Brittish Gov didn't notify other embassies as well but they kept quiet about it? Maybe the Brits notified many more embassies but the Israelis were the only ones who went blabbing to the press about it.


If the Brittish Gov didn't notify the Israeli embassy, Netenyaho (



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 02:32 AM
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If i offended any member of the jewish faith with my earlier post, i appologise as it wasnt my intention.

However this morning while reading the replies to the thread, which after all is simply A THEORY of mine i wrote yesterday, find my self labelled NEO-NAZI, RACIST and jew hater..

I find this disturbing as anyone who has read any of my replies to the threads, especially certain MODERATORS, will know, i have no bias, i am not racialist and above all I AM NOT A NEO-NAZI JEW HATING SKIN HEAD MORON !!!

As quoted earlier if i talk of the CIA, then i refer to the CIA, not the American people, i dont hate Americans.

If i talk of a specific group of people (secret services of the world etc) it doesnt not mean i hate the people of that country for their colour or religous background, i simply refer to the people of the group.

My earlier post was simply a THEORY of mine, which if you like you can trash with my blessing, it was in no way an attack on the Jewish people as a whole, simply the people of their secret services whom are known to have provoked incidents of this form in other countries as pointed out earlier in the thread.

I wrote earlier in my welcome to RUSSIAN KID (if anyone cares to read it) that ATS is the perfect country, where the points of view of a person are accepted by everyone else with education even if they dont agree, where the colour or political beliefs of a person dont matter and anyone can state their views without fear of abuse or retribution..

Today after reading the comments of peolpe like OFF THE STREET and others, i feel i may have been mistaken, and the ATS isnt really a forum for open thought and theories, even mistaken theories.

As for the "One liner" and well thought out (i think not) reply of FROSTY "...Simply because you hate the jews" are you the type of person that spends life labelling anyone who doesnt agree with you with, i.e. if the police give a parking ticket to a member of the jewish community would you label them, "nazi bastards", would you shout "you only give tickets because you hate jews"??
The theory spoke of the intelligence community of ISREAL and not of the hate or of the blame of the Isreali people for the attacks yesterday.
Your reply was that of a narrowed minded band wagon jumping bigot.

I will think twice before entering the forum or placing a reply again as clearly free thought isnt allowed here in ATS as several people take what others say out of context and begin with narrowed minded insults.

If you feel the hread is incorrect then trash it, but please dont revert to personal insults as its the lowest form of education...have the education to at least place comments like " Gee Andy, i dont think your thread has any basis and maybe you could offend someone"..
Dont write things like "Hey Andy your a nazi loving swastica tattoed skin head and a f****** moron, im going to ignore you from now on butt head"

I felt the peolpe here at ATS were a little more adult....
Maybe i made a mistake, as i made with posting a maybe ill thought out thread..

Thank you all those whom refrained from labelling me Hitler and mentioned the fact that the Mossad is capable of such an act..!!



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 06:40 AM
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It woulndt be the first time !!!!www.wsws.org...



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 06:54 AM
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andy1972....
Having to rely on your word, I will assert that you are definately not a skinhead, a neo-nazi, a moron, etc. As such, do not take being contradicted personally. That is debate, to present opposing viewpoints.

Yes, MOSSAD is quite capable of such, but because they have such capability, unfounded conjectures and assumptions should be used and viewed with caution. Besides, there are a number of intelligence services that can likewise do what you assert MOSSAD may have done.

As I have mentioned , there is an 'a' typical script [Israel knew, Israel did it] being played out and personally, it needs to be avoided until further investigative evidences and proofs are found.

Speculation is always cool within measured, calculated, and objective reasoning.




seekerof

[edit on 8-7-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by andy1972

As quoted earlier if i talk of the CIA, then i refer to the CIA, not the American people, i dont hate Americans.


Oh man you've gone and taken their only defence away.

If you critisize the CIA your a american hating terrorist.. cant you see thats the limit of their rationale and reasoning. Take that away and they're left with "oh yeah!" as a comeback



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 01:32 PM
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If you aren't an Anti-Semite, you are a paranoid man who has read Black Sunday one too many times.



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 02:19 PM
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Once again you use the war cry of "ANTI SEMITE" "JEW HATER"....do you have no other arguement...are you only capable of one line replys.

You incapable of no other line of thought than racism and now your arguement of rascism has been shot down, you turn to another cheap shot " WERE ALL PARANOICS" and we read too many spy novels...F***!!

Theres a phrase - "its better to remain silent and let everyone believe your stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"..

Following with your thinking everyone who puts forward a theory that doesnt fit in with your narrow minded point of view on the world, is either a nazi, paranoic.

What next, if i write about the CIA or the FBI will that make me a "homophobic, black hating lesbian bashing non christian zenephobe" in your eyes as there are black, lesbian, gay, foreign and non christian agents who serve with distinction in those agencies.

Try putting forward a valid debate point in the future and not just a one line bu**s**t rhetorical reply, change the mantra buddy.

I apologise to the moderators for my tone, but really the cheap jibes of frosty are insulting. I also thank SEEKEROF for his sort of apology.



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 03:47 PM
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Your theory makes no sense. If the Mossad knew in advance, wouldn't they have been the ones to warn Netenyahu, and not the British government? Netenyahu is the Israeli Finance Minister. Surely if his own government's intelligence agency had prior knowledge of such an attack coinciding with a visit by a member of their government, THEY would have told him.

Your theory, besides not being based on a single FACT, is flawed from the start. Look, I'm no fan of Israel or the Mossad. But even I can recognize Jew-bashing when I see it. You're really giving far too much credit to the Muslim's Jew Propaganda. My guess is you have a copy of "The Protocals of the Elders of Zion" on your coffee table!



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 03:59 PM
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Two quick (I hope, but I just started typing and these things can turn into rather long posts, like my attempt at saying this first line
) points:

First, it is true that, if anyone questions Israel's intentions these days, they're labeled an anti-Semite. Let's face it, a lot of people here on ATS see what they want to see, and jumping to this kind of conclusion based on a small tidbit of information is not uncommon. However, when it happens with something about Israel, you're labeled. Many people are not fans of Israel, the US, or the UK because they blame them for terrorism's existance. I kind of conciede this point, if those three nations weren't so powerful, then these radical Islamic terrorists could just declare war on them and take them out militarily. So Israel's, America's and the UK's success in developing a nation is primarily at fault for terrorism. People are upset because the terrorists are not being pacified, and so they seek to see conspiracy in every action. and only see it through eyes looking at events trying to figure out how one of those three nations profited. Then, it must have been their fault, you just have to find the pieces to put it together.

Second (and this will be short) the premise for this conspiracy is based on an article the AP retracted hours after reporting it.



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 06:23 PM
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Andy1972, "Irresolute princess, for the sake of avoiding immediate danger, adopt most frequently the course of neutrality, and are generally ruined in consequence...a prince must make up his mind to take the chance of all doubts and uncertanties..."



posted on Jul, 9 2005 @ 11:48 AM
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Rasputin, your wrong!!!
Actually i have a copy of "We were soldiers once....and young" by Lt General Harold Moore.

Once more i state I AM NOT a JEW HATING RACIST...but then again today if you complain about the price of oranges from Jaffa your anti-semite!!

Frosty..I trust youve read ALL of "The Prince" by Machiavelli.
Its a perfect example of how corrupt and deceitful a nation or indeed state has to be to survive...just like Isreal.



posted on Jul, 9 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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Israel not warned about blasts - foreign minister

breakingnews.iol.ie...



“There was no early information about terrorist attacks,” Shalom told Israel Army Radio. “After the first explosion an order was given that no one move until things become clear.”





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