The timing isn't really all that surprising...


You've got to look at the bigger picture. What are they trying to do...and also...

How many other surprises lie in wait for the world of the west?

Since when has looking at the bigger picture been a hallmark of human nature? Everyone will be watching London right now, the murder of Egypt's top diplomat to Iraq wont rate a single mention on any mainstream media outlets. The sole purpose of kidnapping people in Iraq is for its media attention.

This captive was the highest profile person they had ever captured. To kill him on a day where the worlds attention will not even bother noticing it doesnt make sense. Both the murder of Egypt's ambassador and the London bombings are claimed by Al-Qaeda. If they are organized, why did they waste their chances of major publicity by murdering him today? No one will see it or discuss it.

subz

Maybe you should step out of your egocentric world long enough to realize that in Egypt - for today - this is big news. Maybe Al-Qaeda doesn't really place "grabbing your attention" at as high of a level as you think they do.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by Valhall]

Interestingly enough, by murdering a muslim diplomat, they are only hurting their cause, instead of strengthening it... Let's hope they (the terrorists) continue to be morons when it comes to tactics......

Just as the terror attacks in London will only garner more support for British involvement...what dunderheads....

Originally posted by Gazrok
Interestingly enough, by murdering a muslim diplomat, they are only hurting their cause, instead of strengthening it... Let's hope they (the terrorists) continue to be morons when it comes to tactics......

Just as the terror attacks in London will only garner more support for British involvement...what dunderheads....

Yes Gaz, those Islamic terrorists are really dumb aren't they.

Yes Gaz, those Islamic terrorists are really dumb aren't they.

Apparently so, if their actions are any indication... Even 9/11, by all means, a cleverly done attack, ended up having worse repercussions for their agenda.

The reasons given for 9/11 by those claiming responsibility, was basically US involvement in supporting Israel, and US presence in the middle east. Answer me this, has either of those objectives been met? Or have such involvement and military presence increased?

And now they take actions which can only anger their support base (i.e. how many muslims (London has quite a few) were injured or killed in London today? Will the assassination of a muslim ambassador hurt or help their cause?). Just assessing the intelligence as a result of their actions...

If I am somehow missing the tactical brilliance of such actions, I'd love to be enlightened...

Seriously, the insurgency wants the US out right? What's the easiest and most expedient way of doing this? Anyone? Bueller? Simple. STOP. Let things calm down, let the US withdraw...leaving only token forces in the region. Put your people in office through elections, and dictate policy THAT way. Instead, they are taking the Afghanistan route, hoping to simply keep piling up the body count on both sides, until the enemy is sick of it and leaves. This ISN'T Afghanistan though. The US motives here are COMPLETELY different than the Russian ones in Afghanistan...and there is much more at stake for the US if forced to leave.

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Agreed Gazrok.

Al-Qa'eda, with its "ill-thought out" terrorist plans and actions, is doing nothing but justifying Coalition action in Iraq. Furthermore, they are slowly bringing many nations, who would have or did otherwise oppose such Coalition actions, together against their cause(s).

Pretty smart group of folks, eh? Not. But apparently, Al-Qa'eda thinks they can simply terrorize who and whatever and get away with it, with little regard for how their acts or actions will have a bearing on them down the road. Not very smart at all. IMHO, I think that their mode of thinking is slowly going to backfire on them, if it is not already. Time will only tell though.




seekerof

[edit on 7-7-2005 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by subz

This captive was the highest profile person they had ever captured. To kill him on a day where the worlds attention will not even bother noticing it doesnt make sense. Both the murder of Egypt's ambassador and the London bombings are claimed by Al-Qaeda. If they are organized, why did they waste their chances of major publicity by murdering him today? No one will see it or discuss it.

Impecible logic Subz. Their actions rcently would seem counterproductive to their stated goals. One has to wonder if the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, or if the London attacks were really pulled off by Al-Qaeda.

subz: it makes more sense if you don't assume there is an organized religious crusade, and see it as power hungry little mobs, each vying for more prestige and power.

Religion is the cloak and the tool used by disgusting people to lead others to their deaths. They're also jockying for position to be the "big dog" amongst other groups. Elimination of all otehr religions and peoples would still find so-called Islamic terrorist groups bombing and killing innocents in sectarian violence for generations. Remove the sects and personal "cults of personality" or followers of various internal leaders would be going at it.

One group had their diplomat, the other had the bombs set in London. Bet there's not much cooperation between these many groups of sick people. Why share details when it could weaken your standing in the world stage? Or, maybe they did communicate, and the London bombers decided they wanted to upstage their rivals?

I think terrorism is pretty simple when you look past the religious obfuscation and understand it in secular power grabbing games.

To the rest: Wanna bet that if Egypt gets these guys, the flushing of a Koran will be the least of their worries?

Originally posted by Astronomer68
Impecible logic Subz. Their actions rcently would seem counterproductive to their stated goals. One has to wonder if the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, or if the London attacks were really pulled off by Al-Qaeda.

Thanks Astronomer68, I was searching for all non-London bombing news at the time and the logicality of it was like a slap in the face. Its times like these when vital clues get overlooked when our myopic and didactic mass media miss anything that isnt sensationalistic.

Originally posted by Phugedaboudet
subz: it makes more sense if you don't assume there is an organized religious crusade, and see it as power hungry little mobs, each vying for more prestige and power.

Youre right. Al-Qaeda is a mere banner for disparate terrorist organisations. There is no hierarchical command and as such Osama Bin Laden is not the all powerful boogey man that we are lead to believe.

This scenario makes sense when you realize that no one is in control of Al-Qaeda. It also raises questions as to why we all assumed Al-Qaeda WAS run like this. We were told by our MSM and politicians that Osama Bin Laden was Al-Qaeda's head and that he even had Generals and Lieutenants. This conjures up simliaries between our armed forces; a completely hierarchical command structure. If we knew they were nothing but a rag-tag bunch of squabbling criminals and not highly organized proffesionals with our destruction in mind, we might not of (over)reacted to this apparent terrorist nightmare.