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SCO Demands US And Its Allies To Name A Date To Leave Central Asia

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posted on Jul, 11 2005 @ 06:59 PM
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This is the topic gentlemen:
SCO Demands US And Its Allies To Name A Date To Leave Central Asia.

How about we get back to the regularly scheduled program?
Thank you.





seekerof




posted on Jul, 14 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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BYE BYE U.S.A. I told you guys it's AH-Commin rense.com... the reason I posted this source is because the other source for some reason don't show up when I post 'em but I'll do it anyways to give different sources. here it is thetruthseeker.co.uk...://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index779.htm

[edit on 14-7-2005 by SiberianTiger]



posted on Jul, 14 2005 @ 12:54 PM
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I don't know how reliable those reports are, Rense is not generally a source of reliable information, as their stated policy is to report everything they get, whether or not they can verify it...

However if the governments of the countries where the bases are located are actually asking us to leave, we should leave. It's simple courtesy.

EDIT: Apparently this is true, at least the part about Kyrgyzstan wanting us to pull out - from Radio Free Europe no less.



However, newly elected Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiev said on 11 July the necessity of the base in his country should be discussed. Bakiev’s message was relayed by the Kyrgyz ambassador to Russia, Apas Jumagulov, who said, "Now that the load [of military operations] in Afghanistan has decreased and the situation in that country is gradually normalizing, the need for a U.S. base at Manas will also come to an end."


[edit on 7/14/05 by xmotex]



posted on Jul, 14 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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WHY do u always say "I don't know how reliable those sources are" just cross referance 'em.



posted on Jul, 14 2005 @ 01:03 PM
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Yes, I am doing that now, look up ^


The report from The Hindu seems reliable as well.

So now that the host countries themselves are asking us to leave, what do people here think? Should the US pull out, or what?

[edit on 7/14/05 by xmotex]



posted on Jul, 14 2005 @ 03:04 PM
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This is a Sosialist article written back in 1998 5 years before the war in Iraq, this IS the real reason USA wanted Saddam out of power, remember at this time also 1998 it was 1 year after Bush jr and UNICAL 76 Reps met with the Taliban asking them to allow Unical 76 to build a Oil Pipeline in Afgahistan. www.wsws.org...
Here also a NON-Socialist article on it, but this one is not from 1998 it's from now 2005 globalresearch.ca...

[edit on 14-7-2005 by SiberianTiger]



posted on Jul, 14 2005 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
Apparently this is true, at least the part about Kyrgyzstan wanting us to pull out - from Radio Free Europe no less.

But Russia on the other hand will double its personnel at Kant airbase, Kyrgyzstan...


RIA Novosti - URGENT: Russia set to double Kant airbase personnel in Kyrgyzstan

Russia is set to double the personnel at its airbase in Kant, Kyrgyzstan, Russian Air Force Commander Vladimir Mikhailov said Wednesday.

"We intend to double the personnel, at least," he said.



posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 02:02 AM
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Are you really getting ALL the recent Russia/China news? Here is a review from the last three weeks.

June 28 - China activates bomb shelters

Intelligence sources suspect reopening to public is part of strategic deception

China's decision to open up massive bomb shelters to the public, ostensibly to provide a respite from summer heat, has U.S. intelligence analysts concerned about a possible strategic deception by Beijing, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

The government made a high-profile public announcement, carried by the official Xinhua news agency, this week that bomb shelters in central Chongqing would be opened to the public to allow residents to cool off during a heat wave in which temperatures are reaching into the 90s.


www.worldnetdaily.com...

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June 29 - U.S. struggles on China-war planning - top officer

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Defense Department is struggling to determine the right mix of bombers and other warplanes to fight China if it ever became necessary, President Bush's choice to become the next Air Force chief of staff said on Wednesday.

Lining up such firepower would top his list of priorities if confirmed as the Air Force's top military officer, Gen. Michael Moseley said at his confirmation hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Moseley said the right mix of long-range strike capabilities was "certainly one of the things that we are struggling with" as part of a sweeping U.S. defense review carried out once every four years and currently under way.

"The enhancements that we see in the Chinese military (do) cause concern," he added in reply to a question from Sen. John Thune, a South Dakota Republican.


news.yahoo.com...

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July 1 - China-Russia Joint Statement on 21st century world order

Chinese President Hu Jintao and Russian President Putin signed the Joint Statement of the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation Regarding the International Order of the 21st Century in Moscow on 1 July. The full text of the joint statement follows:

Joint Statement of the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation Regarding the International Order of the 21st Century:

The PRC [People's republic of China] and the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as the "two sides" for short), taking the opportunity of the 60th anniversary of the victory in World War II and the 60th anniversary of the founding of the United Nations,

Acting on the basis of the historical responsibility for world peace and development in their capacities as permanent members of the United Nations Security Council,

Strictly abiding by the propositions on building a multipolar world and a new international order as enunciated in the Joint Statement of the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation Regarding Global Multipolarity and the Establishment of a New International Order of 23 April 1997,

Confirming the strategic cooperative partnership between the two sides as reiterated in the Treaty of Good-Neighbourliness, Friendliness, and Cooperation of the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation of 16 July 2001,


www.politicalaffairs.net...

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July 1 - China-Russia declaration US policy

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia and China issued a veiled condemnation of the United States on Friday by signing a joint declaration criticising countries that seek to throw their weight around on the world stage. "International society should rid itself of ... striving towards monopoly and domination in international affairs," said the document, signed by China's President Hu Jintao and Russian President Vladimir Putin after Kremlin talks.

"It is necessary to peacefully resolve differences and arguments, avoid one-sided actions and not resort to the politics of diktats, the threat of force or its use," the declaration said.

Russia, the world's second-biggest oil exporter, and China, the world's fastest-growing major economy with a huge appetite for crude, say they want to build on their "strategic partnership."

With Jintao's visit to Moscow into its second day, there has so far been no mention of the extra oil imports from Russia that analysts said Beijing was hoping to secure from the trip.


in.news.yahoo.com...

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July 5 - Alliance Calls for US Withdrawal

ASTANA, Kazakhstan -- An alliance of Russia, China and central Asian nations called for the U.S. and coalition members in Afghanistan to set a date for withdrawing from member states, reflecting growing unease over America's regional military presence.

Alliance members Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan both host U.S. bases whose troops are involved in Afghanistan.

The Shanghai Cooperation Organization, at a summit in the Kazakh capital, said in a declaration that a withdrawal date should be set in light of what it said was a decline of active fighting in Afghanistan.

The statement appears to reflect growing uneasiness with the U.S. presence and increasing concerns that the United States is encouraging the overthrow of Central Asia's authoritarian governments.


www.worldnetdaily.com...

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July 13 - Russia and China Activate Ten Combat Divisions to Counter United States as Caspian Oil War Appears Set to Begin

Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that both President Putin (Russia) and President Hu (China) have ordered the immediate activation of 10 Combat Ready Divisions to counter the increasingly aggressive moves being made by the United States in the Caspian Oil Regions of Central Asia. Special Forces Army Units of both Russian Spetsnaz and Chinese Immediate Action Units were also ordered to be immediately deployed to both Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan to surround the large American Military bases in those regions, and that the governments of both of these countries have ordered the Americans to leave.

The government of Uzbekistan had called first for these actions, and as we can read as reported by the Indian National Newspaper Hindu News Service in their article titled "Uzbekistan steps up pressure on U.S. to close base" and which says, "Uzbekistan is stepping up pressure on the United States to withdraw its air base set up in the Central Asian country for operations in neighbouring Afghanistan. Uzbekistan also said that the United States had not paid takeoff and landing fees, as well as compensation for security services, new infrastructure, ecological damage and inconvenience to the local population.

The statement was issued two days after the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation called for the United States and its coalition allies in Afghanistan to set a date for withdrawing their military bases from Central Asia. Last month Uzbekistan introduced severe restrictions on American flights from the Khanabad base forcing the U.S. command to redeploy some aircraft to Afghanistan. Kyrgyzstan has joined Uzbekistan in calling on Washington to shut down its air base near the Kyrgyz capital Bishkek."


www.whatdoesitmean.com...

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July 14 - Top Chinese general warns US over attack

China is prepared to use nuclear weapons against the US if it is attacked by Washington during a confrontation over Taiwan, a Chinese general said on Thursday.

“If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,” said General Zhu Chenghu.

Gen Zhu was speaking at a function for foreign journalists organised, in part, by the Chinese government. He added that China's definition of its territory included warships and aircraft.

“If the Americans are determined to interfere [then] we will be determined to respond,” said Gen Zhu, who is also a professor at China's National Defence University.

“We . . . will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds . . . of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.”


news.ft.com...



posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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I would treat anything from "Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin" with a great deal of skepticism, Joseph Farah is publisher of WorldNetDaily, a propaganda organ of far-Right fundmentalists. They have a long track record of simply making stuff up.

If you believe what they write, suitcase nukes should be going off in US cities right about now, Syria and Iran should have launched their joint invasion of Israel already, Israel should have launched a devastating attack in Iran's nuke facilities already, etc...

WND is pablum for fanatical hawks and apocalyptic fundamentalists. I don't recommend you take them too seriously, and this is coming from someone who reads their site almost every day - I like to keep an eye on what the far-right nutjob types are up to



posted on Jul, 17 2005 @ 06:05 AM
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China signed a deal with Kazakhstan worth $700 million. "Linking their two nations" with oil and gas pipelines...


China, Kazakhstan form energy alliance

Presidents Hu Jintao of China and Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan have agreed to form a strategic energy partnership by linking their two nations with oil and gas pipelines.

The immediate focus of their attention is the 998-km oil pipeline extending from Atasu, Kazakhstan, to Alashankou, in China's Xinjiang region (OGJ Online, June 3, 2003). The line, which will begin delivering oil by Dec. 16, forms the second phase of a $700 million oil transportation project, according to a joint statement released by the two governments.

The statement said the completed pipeline will have an initial capacity of 10 million tonnes/year of crude oil, increasing to 20 million tonnes/year by 2008.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


China signed a $800 million per year oil deal with Nigeria too...

Nigeria And China Sign Crude Oil Sale Pact

The Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) and China's Petro-China International (London), along with its Nigerian partner, Equinox Energy Limited at the weekend of 8 July, signed a long term crude oil purchase agreement worth $800 million (N105.6 billion) per year.

The agreement, which is subject to annual renewal, will see the Chinese government buying 30,000 barrels of Nigeria's crude oil daily over a five-year period.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


[edit on 2005/7/17 by Hellmutt]



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 07:00 PM
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Putin has signed a law on an agreement between Russia and Kyrgyzstan on the status of and the deployment conditions for a Russian airbase in Kyrgyzstan. No further details about this agreement are given but the article also mention the SCO´s deadline demand for "foreign" military to withdraw from Central Asia.


RIA Novosti: Putin signs law on Russian airbase in Kyrgyzstan

July 21 2005




Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law on an agreement between Russia and Kyrgyzstan on the status of and the deployment conditions for a Russian airbase in Kyrgyzstan, the presidential press service said. The agreement was ratified by the State Duma, parliament's lower chamber, on July 8 and approved by the Federation Council, parliament's upper chamber, on July 13.

The U.S. military base at Manas, at the Kyrgyz capital's international airport, is a strongpoint in conducting the counter terrorist operation in Afghanistan. At the July SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) summit in the Kazakh capital of Astana, Putin's proposal to set a deadline for foreign military withdrawal in Central Asia was unanimously approved by SCO members.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


[edit on 2006/4/28 by Hellmutt]



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 08:11 PM
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It’s such a HUGE post, it took more about 1 hour to read it all…

Well first of all I’d like to express my complete disrespect to IFA101. You’re offensive and insulting.



We are the US, not china or russia, they ought to put up or shut up, they need to understand their place, it is not beside america but behind it! The Russians have no right and neither does China to ask America to stop or get outof anywhere.


Secondly I’d like to point Your attention to the fact that nor Russia neither China themselves have asked the international coalition, not just USA, to settle off, the council of all countries, asked you out.

Since the American so-called ‘democratic’ revolution failed in Kyrgyzstan (they’ve chosen wrong guy), there are no other legal conditions on which Americans could stay. If the Afghanistan wants the USA troops to stay please, you’re welcome to the Afghan land and only.



posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 05:27 PM
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Ok, it seems like they can stay in Kyrgyzstan. As long as the situation in Afghanistan require it.


Reuters: Kyrgyzstan links fate of U.S. base to Afghanistan

Jul 26, 2005


The United States won assurances from Kyrgyzstan on Tuesday that Washington could keep its military base in the ex-Soviet Central Asian state as long as the situation in Afghanistan required it.

"The presence of the (U.S.) base fully depends on the situation in Afghanistan," acting Kyrgyz Defense Minister Ismail Isakov told a joint news conference with visiting Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

"Today the minister (Rumsfeld) rightly noted that the situation in Afghanistan has not finally got back to normal," Isakov said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Jul, 30 2005 @ 07:08 PM
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But they have just six months to get out of Uzbekistan. ATSNN story here:

NEWS: Uzbekistan Gives USA Six Months To Leave AirBase (by MischeviousElf)



posted on Sep, 27 2005 @ 06:07 PM
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U.S. is now ready to pull out of Uzbekistan "without further discussion".


URGENT: U.S. ready to pull out from Khanabad base in Uzbekistan (RIA Novosti)

27/ 09/ 2005


The United States will withdraw its contingent from the Khanabad base according to the timetable set by the Uzbek government, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Fried said Tuesday. He said the U.S. respected Uzbekistan's decision and would withdraw from the base as scheduled by the Uzbek government.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


ABC News: U.S. Forces Leaving Base in Uzbekistan

Sep 27, 2005


A senior State Department official said Tuesday the president of Uzbekistan made it clear that American forces must leave their air base in the Central Asian country, and the U.S. intends to do so "without further discussion."

The demand came as relations soured following U.S. criticism of Uzbekistan's crackdown on anti-government protesters in May in the eastern city of Andijan.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


FOX News: U.S. Forces to Leave Uzbekistan Air Bases

September 27, 2005


"The Uzbek government made it clear that we need to leave the base, and we intend to leave it without further discussion," Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Fried told reporters after meeting with President Islam Karimov.

Fried said the United States will withdraw the base within the period demanded by the Uzbek authorities. "We respect the deadline," he said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 06:31 PM
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Uzbekistan Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov is extremely happy these days...


The St. Petersburg Times (opinion) : Playing With Fire in Central Asia

September 30, 2005


“Where it’s moved to is not my problem,” Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said with evident pleasure when asked about the future of a U.S. military base in Uzbekistan, which authorities have ordered vacated within months. “It’s not like I have to move it myself,” Ivanov said.

Ivanov is an extremely proud man, and he will not have forgotten the slight humiliation he suffered back in 2001. On the eve of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, Ivanov declared that he could not admit even in theory the possibility of a NATO troop presence on CIS territory. Less than a week later the leaders of Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan gave permission for the United States to install military bases on their territory.

Ivanov arrived in Tashkent last Wednesday to attend the first joint military exercise between Russia and Uzbekistan. During the exercise, some 200 Russian paratroopers and an elite commando unit from the General Staff’s Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, routed an advanced detachment of “terrorists” who had seized a mountain village. A joint Russian-Uzbek force then proceeded to destroy the enemy’s main force.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Related ATS Threads (Related to Kyrgyzstan but not necessarily Uzbekistan) :
U.S. Dumped 80 Tons of Fuel Over Kyrgyz Capital



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 08:11 AM
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If you read this thread and the posts here, you'd see a kind of Western domination in it. It goes like "aww, we'll leave them alone" or "too bad" or "tell them to screw it". I find this very disturbing to come from members of ATS whom I respect to be much more intelligent than that. Any Asians would find this down right direspectful, including me.

The myth of whitemans' invicibility and god-like strength died out a long time ago when those Japanese kicked the Soviets sorry cans all over the place. Pardon my language here but I am upset to some of the remarks here made by some of the ATS members. We Asians can handle our own backyard pretty well. Remember that.

Totally disappointing.



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 11:48 AM
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have not declared war yet, but they have just sort of told US and its allies to get their butts out of Central Asia.

Do you actually think that they would???? SCO is a very weak ecomomic cooperative, not a miliatry organization. Of course, with the recent uptick in russian military exercises with china and india, things look a bit more ominous.

But, again, global thermonuclear war prevents anything like this from happening.



posted on Oct, 29 2005 @ 08:39 PM
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Now the US are building bases in Bulgaria and Romania instead...

Novinite: US Sends 5,000 Soldiers to Bulgaria, Romania



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