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Topic started on 6-7-2005 @ 01:45 PM by Quest
I was reading an article about wind farms killing birds which made me think about various forms of gathering energy and the problems they cause.

All sources of energy boil down to a simple process of removing energy from one thing and applying it to another.

Wind farms suck power from wind currents, tidal generators suck energy from the tides, nuclear plants suck energy from the ground (uranium), etc. Even solar energy collects sunlight before it can strike the ground or plants.

No matter what humans do, we will always "steal" energy from systems for our own use, and often with mild to serious consequences. Taking energy from a system will always change that system.

The conspiracy here is that people get behind various energy sources for various reasons rather than admit that in the end, its damaging a system by removing energy. Arguably, nuclear power and oil is the best source since the energy is being taken from the earth rather than a living, highly dynamic, system. Nonetheless, it is still removing something from a system that had reached balance.

The sun is a virtually endless power source, but any land or earth-orbit based collector would prevent sunlight from reaching the surface, and thus change the system.

When backing a source of energy, always keep in mind what you are taking it from and what effects it may have. To date, there is no source of energy that doesn't damage (irreperably alter) the source.


reply posted on 6-7-2005 @ 06:34 PM by sardion2000
Not to mention that ALL of our structures impacts Wind Patterns and takes energy away from the system and blocks sunlight from the "Natural" pathways it usually takes if we weren't around to build our artificial structures. Fossile Fuels is a finite resourse fast running out and become uneconomical let alone the ecological effects it has on the Earth. Tides comes primarily from gravitic interactions on a massive scale, a few tidal generators isn't going to effect it much, as not every place is suitable for this type of energy generation. Same goes for Solar, Wind and Geothermal. The ONLY feasable and clean energy source I see coming down the line is Fusion and that project is just getting started so until we have mastered that we had better find less distructfull ways to power our needs and vises as we aren't willing to give up our vises in order to supply the basic needs for more people which is why it is nessesary. We will eventually strike a balance with Nature providing all we need and want, that is if we don't wipe ourselves out first...

EDIT: One other note, if we make the Wind Turbines bigger it will limit the impact to wildlife as Bigger Blades with more advanced bearings won't need to turn as fast to produce a good amount of energy. We have a 160+ homes Wind Turbine down by the water front, and scientists have been watching to see how many birds have been killed by it, and I just read a few months ago they average 3 bird kills a year directly attributed to striking the turbines, and they were all Seagulls which are a nuicence anyway heh.

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reply posted on 6-7-2005 @ 08:08 PM by sardion2000
Yeah I've been following Nanotech Based solar colelctors since I've found out about them. The Nanotech Revolution is gonna change the game when it comes to energy generation and storage. I've heard a while back that they deviced an almost frictionless fluid, I was wondering when they are gonna try to merry that with Wind and Tidal applications friction is a great efficiency drain. Another thing is we are thinking in older terms, Appliances are getting more and more energy effiecient all the time, I just read an article the other day(i'll try and find it in a sec) that said if we put as much money towards increasing energy efficiencies in our appalinces we could cut down on the need for big centralized power genorators. Up until now anything new usually came with a cost more power consumption, but more and more manufacturers are looking on how to increase the efficiency, it's right now mostly being driven by the mobile computing industry but if we apply what we learn there to other application, well think about the implications! LED lighting is a killer WorldChanging application, we could literally cut down on our energy consumption by 10 %(thats a conservative estimate btw I've heard it could do so up to 20 % in other articles) The article in question I cannot find right now I'll try again tomarrow its ony this site www.worldchanging.com... and it asserts that we can actually bring 10 billion people to our standards of living at half the energy cost we are using RIGHT NOW. I'm not sure if I believe that but it's something to mull over. Found these other articles while I was looking for the other one that you might find interesting.

Density as Effieciency

How Dense can we be

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