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Propaganda 101: Getting the U.S. Ready for War With Iran

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posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex

I suspect we'd be seeing much the same now even had Rafsanjani won the election - much like the current Iraq war, the decision was made years ago, regardless of political developments in Iran, or their cooperation/non-cooperation with the IAEA.

The only thing stopping it now is the strength of the continuing insurgency in Iraq - it's tying down forces that would otherwise be used in Iran. It's also hurting the administration's popularity at home, but that can be dealt with by allowing/staging another mass-casualty terrorist attack on US soil - one which can be blamed on Iran.

The US did not invade Iraq - it invaded/is invading the Middle East, in an attempt to use force to redraw the political map there, and ensure the US unfettered access to the region's oil.


While I agree that the underlying reasons for US animosity towards the Iranian government did not fundamentally change with the election, I do believe that the fundamentalist clerics and militarys support of Amandinejad over Rafsenjani portends a severe crackdown on internal dissent as well as operations to silence the exile community. Its also an in your face to western nations desiring Iran to open its nuclear program via UN security council action.

I don't at this time believe that a ground invasion by US forces is imminant nor do I see it in the near future - not because they are tied down in Iraq and other theatres, I do see a much stepped up program of helping internal and exile opposition groups in formenting a counter-revolution at which point the US could provide logistical and air support.

Of course Israel could decide to take matters into their own hands prematurely with the threat posed by Irans already built atomic weapons combined with the KH-55 Granit cruise missile able to penetrate its Arrow missile defence system.

I really do not believe that the US needs to nuke itself in order to invade Iran or any other country for that matter, the Iranian governmental support of currently ongoing terror groups is in itself enough. Especially when the CIA quits covering its butt for past errors and coughs up the data linking Iran and al Qaeda. (of course it'll generate major conspiracy issues, the real and existing conspiracy is the withholding of that data though)

Yes I agree that the US has invaded the mideast as a whole rather than just isolated countries and yes it is to secure oil not only for the US but all western countries who would be held at blackmail for needed energy otherwise.

With the oil subject out of the way the threat posed by religious fanatics that have already said they will justify use of nuclear weapons to further their aims still stands.




posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:17 PM
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Trust me dude U.S.A. will find a way to attack and when they do maybe a week a moth a year the U.S. will defeat Iran but not before suffering a couple of HUNDRE THOUSAND losses then after that MIGHTYRUSSIA will strike and you can TRULY kiss U.S.of A Gooooddddbbbbbbeeyyyyeeee afterwards.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Trust me dude U.S.A. will find a way to attack and when they do maybe a week a moth a year the U.S. will defeat Iran but not before suffering a couple of HUNDRE THOUSAND losses then after that MIGHTYRUSSIA will strike and you can TRULY kiss U.S.of A Gooooddddbbbbbbeeyyyyeeee afterwards.


wat makes u think that Russia will not join America in the kissing?
have u forgotten about America's nukes?



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Trust me dude U.S.A. will find a way to attack and when they do maybe a week a moth a year the U.S. will defeat Iran but not before suffering a couple of HUNDRE THOUSAND losses then after that MIGHTYRUSSIA will strike and you can TRULY kiss U.S.of A Gooooddddbbbbbbeeyyyyeeee afterwards.


And then the GREAT CANADA will stomp MIGHTY RUSSIA into the dust and declare THE GREAT WHITE NORTH EMPIRE. Then kiss your rubles dosvidanya, comrade.

** See? I can speculate too. Seems just as plausable as what I see being made up here.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:27 PM
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HAHAHA You Yanks are the funniest, I mean I have never in my life EVER see people that Realy believed thier HOLLYWOOD movies like TOPGUN and Rambo part 2 and 3, you realy believe Russia can't Deafet U.S.A. and wont attack U.S. if U.S. attacks Iran, hahahaha You guys are in for the most "HORRIFYING SHOOK" of your lives!!!!!!! and you can quote me on that.!



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Trust me dude U.S.A. will find a way to attack and when they do maybe a week a moth a year the U.S. will defeat Iran but not before suffering a couple of HUNDRE THOUSAND losses then after that MIGHTYRUSSIA will strike and you can TRULY kiss U.S.of A Gooooddddbbbbbbeeyyyyeeee afterwards.


Thats an interesting statement, based on?

You know after the Iranians build a hundred or so warheads (with Russia's help no less) they will repay your favor by exporting a couple to the southern republics to be used by the Chechens who don't care one wit how many innocents are killed.

With friends like that who needs enemies.

Not vigorously stopping proliferation will catch up with both our nations sooner or later.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:38 PM
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So, you refer to an editorial on an online opinion journal and we are expected to take it for fact?

I may as well link to an old Dr. Horacid post and claim it as fact - it would deserve, and have, the same value.

While I have yet to agree with many of your posts, your fact checking and sources are usually a bit stronger than this one.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:39 PM
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If you think both Rus/US don't know that already then you need to think again, if Rus was gonna give Iran Nuke they would just ship/Rail car or fly a a Nuke missile in for them, no one will find out, but the chances of some one finding out about it if Rus builds a Nuke Power plant for Nuke weapons perpuses is much greater, so I assure those plants ARE for peacful power reasons.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:40 PM
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Or, ECK, another way of looking at it is that Iran has been monkeying around in the region's affairs by supporting terror for decades. They are flaming death in Iraq, along with Syria, and support those who wish to kill the children of Israel, again, along with Syria.

It is much easier to say that we just might finally get around to taking the War on Terror to the most active terrorist sponsors, now.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:43 PM
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Jews are NOT The Children of ISREAL



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
HAHAHA You Yanks are the funniest, I mean I have never in my life EVER see people that Realy believed thier HOLLYWOOD movies like TOPGUN and Rambo part 2 and 3, you realy believe Russia can't Deafet U.S.A. and wont attack U.S. if U.S. attacks Iran, hahahaha You guys are in for the most "HORRIFYING SHOOK" of your lives!!!!!!! and you can quote me on that.!


THE GREAT WHITE NORTH EMPIRE (not the USA for those that have no geography skill) will wipe the map with Russia in less than a month.


Well, Americans could believe that over the speculation you offer with proof of "because I say so..."


Give me a break.

You're just trying to stir up some crazy drama storm about "my daddy can beat your daddy" and in case you can't tell...not many seem to care.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Jews are NOT The Children of ISREAL


Huh? Isn't that like saying "Catholics are not the children of the vatican"?

Israel was set up after WW2 to give the Jewish people a home.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 05:29 PM
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Not vigorously stopping proliferation will catch up with both our nations sooner or later.



"Not vigorously stopping proliferation"... what a strange euphemism.

You produce one nuclear warhead with capability of being launched at a population centre, you have proliferated.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Trust me dude U.S.A. will find a way to attack and when they do maybe a week a moth a year the U.S. will defeat Iran but not before suffering a couple of HUNDRE THOUSAND losses then after that MIGHTYRUSSIA will strike and you can TRULY kiss U.S.of A Gooooddddbbbbbbeeyyyyeeee afterwards.


Thats an interesting statement, based on?

You know after the Iranians build a hundred or so warheads (with Russia's help no less) they will repay your favor by exporting a couple to the southern republics to be used by the Chechens who don't care one wit how many innocents are killed.

With friends like that who needs enemies.

Not vigorously stopping proliferation will catch up with both our nations sooner or later.


Sorry but the Chechens have already took over some land based surfacve to surface missiles and have hidden it thy cant use it because it (A) Nuclear and (B) it has launch codes and other various security.

here ill give some evidence on that



Chechnya Special Weapons

Following the 1991 declaration of independence and sovereignty by General Dzhohkar Dudayev's regime in Chechnya, the Caucasian territories of the Russian Federation became increasingly volatile. The unsuccessful effort to replace Dudayev in Chechnya in late 1994 led Russian troops deeper into the Caucasus.

read full source
www.fas.org...


Look why would Iran give Chechens Nukes is it really possible so how would you expect them to deliver it, By C-130 and say to the Russians it is food aid for the Tsunami victims, well I believe the Russian are clever enough to know that nuke is being dropped.

And also I believe that you have made joke of race that has been under attack for nearlly 200 years, you must be racist to say the Iranians will give Nukes to th Chechens well looking at there situation they only want peace and they do actions that will show the media how much strugle is still going on in chechenya.

you cant go on make comments that arent even relevent.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Or, ECK, another way of looking at it is that Iran has been monkeying around in the region's affairs by supporting terror for decades. They are flaming death in Iraq, along with Syria, and support those who wish to kill the children of Israel, again, along with Syria.

It is much easier to say that we just might finally get around to taking the War on Terror to the most active terrorist sponsors, now.


Arent the Jews who live in Israel actually European Jews for more then a thousand years so that doesnt make them Childern of Israel and by the way for your information the real originals Jews who lived in Middle East live in with the plestines and syrians and jordan, labonon, egypt they dont want to live the Israelis because they are Darwinist and that they have missused the name of Israel in there terms it is stolen.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Interseptor
[Arent the Jews who live in Israel actually European Jews for more then a thousand years so that doesnt make them Childern of Israel and by the way for your information the real originals Jews who lived in Middle East live in with the plestines and syrians and jordan, labonon, egypt they dont want to live the Israelis because they are Darwinist and that they have missused the name of Israel in there terms it is stolen.


en.wikipedia.org...


Though Jews had settled outside of Israel since the time of the Babylonians, the results of the Roman response to the Jewish revolt shifted the center of Jewish life from its ancient home to the diaspora. While some Jews remained in Judea, renamed Palestine by the Romans, some Jews were sold into slavery, while others became citizens of other parts of the Roman Empire. This is the traditional explanation to the diaspora, almost universally accepted by past and present rabbinical or Talmudical scholars, who believe that Jews are almost exclusively biological descendants of the Judean exiles, a belief backed up at least partially by DNA evidence. Some secular historians speculate that a majority of the Jews in Antiquity were most likely descendants of converts in the cities of the Graeco-Roman world, especially in Alexandria and Asia Minor. They were only affected by the diaspora in its spiritual sense and by the sense of loss and homelessness which became a cornerstone of the Jewish creed, much supported by persecutions in various parts of the world. Any such policy of conversion, which spread the Jewish religion throughout Hellenistic civilization, seems to have ended with the wars against the Romans and the following reconstruction of Jewish values for the post-Temple era.


should remember that many Jews were force to "move" away from their homeland so its a wonder why most Jews were suddenly in Europe and elsewhere.



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 06:29 PM
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This is a man I trust. He's been dead-on straight down the line. Scott Ritter was a Marine in the Persian Gulf War and a former weapons inspector.



Published on Monday, June 20, 2005 by AlJazeera
The US War with Iran has Already Begun
by Scott Ritter

Americans, along with the rest of the world, are starting to wake up to the uncomfortable fact that President George Bush not only lied to them about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (the ostensible excuse for the March 2003 invasion and occupation of that country by US forces), but also about the very process that led to war.
On 16 October 2002, President Bush told the American people that "I have not ordered the use of force. I hope that the use of force will not become necessary."

We know now that this statement was itself a lie, that the president, by late August 2002, had, in fact, signed off on the 'execute' orders authorising the US military to begin active military operations inside Iraq, and that these orders were being implemented as early as September 2002, when the US Air Force, assisted by the British Royal Air Force, began expanding its bombardment of targets inside and outside the so-called no-fly zone in Iraq.

These operations were designed to degrade Iraqi air defence and command and control capabilities. They also paved the way for the insertion of US Special Operations units, who were conducting strategic reconnaissance, and later direct action, operations against specific targets inside Iraq, prior to the 19 March 2003 commencement of hostilities.
www.commondreams.org...



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 06:42 PM
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Of course you "trust" John Ritter, ECK.
Hey! Think you can trust me since I served in the Gulf War as a Pararescueman when I make assertions as he?
I mean, did you not say you trust the man because he served in the Gulf War?!

Regardless, beyond me how some can still believe an Al-Jazeera columnist, especially since he predicted an invasion/bombing of Iran in June of this year, which did NOT happen, and then to cover his rear, he then comes out saying that, "Oh, btw, though I will not admit that I was in error because I was talking out my rear, the war against Iran has already began."

Hello?!

Yes, please keep swallowing that bait dished by what you deem is "a man I trust"......:shk:





seekerof

[edit on 5-7-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 07:27 PM
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OMG!
I must be dreaming....

Straight from the likes of counterpunch.org itself, sad part, as par, they are simply deflecting their doomsaying predictions off as the result of other "Bu#e" plannings, blah, blah.....a typical!
A Summer Surprise: Wrong About June

Nonetheless, I heard that eating crow tastes much like chicken?




seekerof



posted on Jul, 5 2005 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
This is a man I trust. He's been dead-on straight down the line. Scott Ritter was a Marine in the Persian Gulf War and a former weapons inspector.



The same Scott Ritter who predicted an attack on Iran in June - now what month is it?



(Scott) Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005.

Ritter, Attack in June


Or is the Scott Ritter looked up to the same one accused of soliciting an underage girl on the internet?



ALBANY - Former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter was secretly prosecuted in Albany County in 2001 after he was snared in an Internet sex sting operation, law enforcement sources told the Daily News.

Ritter, who lives in the Albany suburb of Delmar, is now a high-profile critic of President Bush's war preparations.

He was arrested by Colonie Police in June 2001 on a misdemeanor charge after he allegedly had a sexual discussion on the Internet with an undercover investigator he thought was an underage girl, law enforcement sources disclosed on condition of anonymity.
New York Daily News


Or is it the Scott Ritter that works for Al Jazeera, that is so admired.


Not all Marines take pride in the work of their brothers.

Take Scott Ritter (search), a former Marine and United Nations weapons inspector, who has turned into a critic of just about anything the U.S. does in Iraq. Now he’s writing for Al-Jazeera’s Web site, which seems like a perfect home for his defeatist rhetoric.
Fox News


And my personal favorite Scott Ritter accomplishment,


In 1999, Scott Ritter was approached by a Detroit area businessman with links to Saddam Hussein, to make a film about the "devasting effects" that U.N. Sanctions have had on Iraq. Ritter completed the film in July of 2000. Ritter was paid $400,000 to complete a one person, two camera, ninety-minute "documentary." Was Scott Ritter "bought and paid for" to change his story by Saddam Hussein? Scott Ritter claims he made no money on the documentary, but did he? On September 13th 2002, Scott Ritter was interviewed by CNN's Paula Zahn. In the interview, Zahn asked Ritter if he thought $400,000 was an "unusual amount" of money to film a documentary. Ritter's response was "no" he didn't think the amount was high. Ritter then went on to say that "other funding sources" had also been located to help pay the expenses of the trip. These sources include anti-war movements such as "not in our name" and the "Institute For Public Accuracy" a San Francisco based organization with ties to "The Workers Party of America" and the "Socialist Workers Party" and at the forefront of mobilizing and organizing Anti War protests. Ironic that the "Institute For Public Accuracy's" communications director is named Sam Husseini.
Scott Ritter


Scott Ritter as a trusted source is a farce.

[edit on 5-7-2005 by Phoenix]



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