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I hope that you don't consider this to be "bashing" because I really want to know the truth, as I have a friend who is a Mormon.
Last summer, a couple of Mormons came to my door and after a few minutes of conversation with them, they gave me a copy of their "Book of Mormon."
I started reading it, and noticed that it said in Joseph Smith's Testimony,
"While I was thus in the act of calling upon God, I discovered a light appearing in my room, which continued to increase until the room was lighter than at noonday, when immediately a personage appeared at my bedside, standing in the air, for his feet did not touch the floor."
Then it goes on to describe what the "angel of light" was wearing and his hands and feet, etc.
Then a few paragraphs later, Smith says:
"He called me by name and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me and that his name was Moroni;..."
Now, check out this passage from the Bible.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;..."
How do Mormons get around this?
Since the 2 guys that came to my door had a "Bible" that had both the Old and New Testaments as well as the "Book of Mormon" all bound up into a single volume.
Revelation 22:18 says "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
The Mormons have added their book onto the Holy Bible, considering it equal. In the introduction, it says,
"Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: 'I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by it's precepts, than by any other book."
2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
If the Bible is all we need in life, then why have the Mormons added their book to it?
Originally posted by pineappleupsidedown
If you check that quote, it doesnt even say that the book of mormon is equal to the Bible. It says Joseph Smiths' book is MORE IMPORTANT than the Bible, being the "most correct" and men would be closer to God by following this book more "than by any other book".
The book of mormon is not just an "addition" to the bible, it is "superior" book, according to the mormon religion.
What is the relationship between Jesus and Lucifer
From Joseph Smith history 1:14-17, taken from scriptures.lds.org... (first person account by joseph Smith)
14 So, in accordance with this, my determination to ask of God, I retired to the woods to make the attempt. It was on the morning of a beautiful, clear day, early in the spring of eighteen hundred and twenty. It was the first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for amidst all my anxieties I had never as yet made the attempt to pray vocally.
15 After I had retired to the place where I had previously designed to go, having looked around me, and finding myself alone, I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart to God. I had scarcely done so, when immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I could not speak. Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction.
16 But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction—not to an imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being—just at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
Why do you wear Magic Underwear (probably not the best term for it) with masonic symbolism on it, and why must you wear it 24/7.
Why are some statues at some mormon churches have adam and eve offering wheat/fruits on the sacrificial alter instead of a lamb (which coincidently is comfortably sitting by the alters side)...a sign that Cains gift to god is is the prefered?
Why are Mormon rituals similar to masons (including that of using the thumb to represent a knife slicing the throat from ear to ear if secrets of the church are revelead)
Also want to ask another question..... are there blacks in the mormon faith?
reason I ask is that as you stated 1/3 of spiritual brothers went to hell without the choice of having a body...
and the 1/3 that did not fight or choose......were sent to inhabit the bodies of the blacks..... is this story correct or???
Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
I've come across this or statements like it on a few anti-mormon websites. I have never found anything in mormon scripture or doctrine or books or anything that supports it. To the best of my knowledge, the above quote is false, and black people in the pre-existence (if there even was such a thing as different races then, since we didn't have bodies...) were no more or less involved than anyone else, i.e. 2/3 of blacks supported God and 1/3 did not, just as any other race.
You see some classes of the human family that are BLACK, UNCOUTH, UNCOMELY, DISAGREEABLE and LOW in their habits, WILD, and seemingly DEPRIVED OF NEARLY ALL THE BLESSINGS OF THE INTELLIGENCE that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been KILLED, and THAT WOULD HAVE PUT A TERMINATION TO THAT LINE OF HUMAN BEINGS. This was not to be, and the Lord put A MARK upon him, which is THE FLAT NOSE AND BLACK SKIN. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race -- that they should be the "servants of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 290, 1859."
""Though he was a rebel and an ASSOCIATE OF LUCIFER IN PRE-EXISTENCE, ...Cain managed to attain the privilege of mortal birth.... [H]e came out in open rebellion, fought God, worshiped Lucifer, and slew Abel.... AS A RESULT OF HIS REBELLION, CAIN WAS CURSED WITH A DARK SKIN; HE BECAME THE FATHER OF THE NEGROES, and THOSE SPIRITS WHO ARE NOT WORTHY to receive the priesthood are born through his lineage." LDS "Apostle" Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 108-109, 1966 edition"
"...[F]rom Ham sprang the race which preserved the curse in the land." LDS Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 1:24."
"Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became THE FATHER OF AN INFERIOR RACE. A curse was placed upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so WHILE TIME ENDURES. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a BLACK SKIN and have been DENIED THE PRIVILEGE OF PRIESTHOOD and the fulness of the blessings of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain. Moreover, they have been made to FEEL THEIR INFERIORITY and have been SEPARATED from the rest of mankind from the beginning. Enoch saw the people of Canaan, descendants of Cain, and he says, 'and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were DESPISED AMONG ALL PEOPLE.'" LDS "Prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, pp. 101-102, 1931."
"THE NEGROES ARE NOT EQUAL WITH OTHER RACES where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, ...but this inequality is not of man's origin. IT IS THE LORD'S DOING, is based on his eternal laws of justice, and grows out of the LACK OF SPIRITUAL VALIANCE OF THOSE CONCERNED IN THEIR FIRST ESTATE [the Mormon pre-existence]." LDS "Apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527 - 528, 1966 edition"
In earlier versions of the BoM like that my grandmother has there are references to those with "dark" skin and how that someday they may become "white and delightful" - I understand in newer versions of the BoM that has been changed to read "light and delightful"
i believe i read that you have not taken out your endowments yet... is this correct?
do you believe in mass manipulation? Using fear as a control?
the reason i ask if your endowed is because of some simple yet powerfull points that are highly questionable in the endowment.
have you read thru the scripts of the current and previous endowments?