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Originally posted by M6D
how the hell did the T-72 get in there? all the T-72 acomplished was getting massacred by coalition tank forces!
Originally posted by tomcat ha
The US M1A1's were much better than the early and most likely "monkey" versions of the T72. Russia basically only exported "monkey" versions of theire tanks, aircraft etc. Only very few countries were given non "monkey" versions of theire equipment.
The T72 isnt as good as the M1 is but it is easily upgradable and even today its a quite effective tank for cost. As long you take the never versions ofcourse. I think this tank can be best compared to the Panzer 4 of WW2. That tank was never obselete during the whole war because of its upgradabillity.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Actually, the T-72 didn't perform well against the Coalition because it was outclassed. Plain and simple. The M-1s were hitting them at two-three times the range they could shoot back at. Three T-72s took on an M-1 that was stuck in the mud, at a range of between 100 and 400 meters, and all they did was groove the armor on the M-1 before they were all blown apart. One of them was even hiding behind a berm when the Abrams punched a shell through the berm, and it then continued on through the T-72 and blew it apart. There was at least one case of two T-72s being taken out by 1 shot from an Abrams. The Sabot round went through the first one, before continuing on into the second one, blowing them both apart.
It was raining heavily, and one M1 managed to get stuck in a mud hole. As they were waiting for a recovery vehicle, three Iraqi T-72 tanks came over a hill and charged the mud-bogged tank. One T-72 fired a high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) round that hit the frontal turret armor of the M1, but did no damage. The crew of the M1, though still stuck, fired a 120mm armor-piercing round at the attacking tank. The round penetrated the T-72s turret, blowing it off into the air. By this time, the second T-72 also fired a HEAT round at the M1. That also hit the front of the turret, and did no damage. The M1 immediately dispatched this T-72 with another 120mm round. After that the third and last T-72 fired a 125mm armor-piercing round at the M1 from a range of 400 meters. This only grooved the front armor plate. Seeing that continued action did not have much of a future, the crew of the last T-72 decided to run for cover. Spying a nearby sand berm, the Iraqis darted behind it, thinking they would be safe there. Back in the M1, the crew saw through their Thermal Imaging Sight the hot plume of the T-72's engine exhaust spewing up from behind the berm. Aiming carefully the M1's crew fired a third 120mm round through the berm, into the tank, destroying it.
Originally posted by fritz
I have just watched a Brit Channel 5 programme on the greatest ever tank. The guys who did the testing were US forces from Iraq (Abrams) Brits from WWII (Sherman & Cent) a woman soldier from Israel (Merkava) a German (Panther), a Russian (T-34/76 & T-72), a Swede (S-Tank) and a couple of millionaires (Tom Clancy, a Rock Star and one Yank billionare who has more tanks in his collection than a small well off country!)
No: 10 was the Sherman, No 9: the Sheridan, No: 8 the Panther, No: 7 the T-72, No: 6 the Swedish S-Tank, No: 5 the Centurian, No: 4 the Merkava,
No: 3 the T-34/76, No: 2 the Abrams
and the winner at No: 1 is the Leopard A2.
Originally posted by UK_05_XM29
I saw a different program called 'Top Tens' on Discovery channel. It had the top ten tanks of all time according to expert opinion and polls. There were 5 different ratings for each tank. Firepower, protection, mobility, Production rating and fear factor.
10. M4 Sherman
6. Mark IV Panzer
4. British WW1 tank
2. M1 Abrams
And the top tank of all time (according to this show)
1. The T-34