Abhay IFV from India

looks more based on this

Type 85/89 Tracked Armoured Personnel Carrier

New Airborne Tank

In early 2005 there was a brief CCTV glimpse of what appeared to be a new lightweight tank for the PLA Airborne Army. Then in mid-February a Chinese military magazine also revealed a clearer view of a new airborne IFV, reportedly designated the ZLC-2000. At IDEX a Norinco official confirmed for the first time that indeed the PLA does have a new lightweight airborne tank. The official explained that China had first approached Russia to co-produce a version of the BMD airborne tank. China reportedly purchased a small number of BMD airborne tanks in the mid-1990s. However, the Russians charged too much, forcing China to develop its own new airborne tank. This program took at least five years. The Norinco official was vague about the weight of the tank but said it was "around" 10 tons. It is also made in at least three versions: command and control; IFV; and ATGM carrier. The command and control version features a higher rear hull section to house personnel. The IVF version is armed with a turret that combines a 30mm cannon with the Type-73C anti-tank guided missile. The dedicated ATGM carrier is armed with the HJ-8 ATGM. This tank is amphibious. The production of a new airborne tank will serve to strengthen the power-projection capability of the PLA Airborne Army, and may be an indication that as per previous reports, China may also be building a second airborne army.

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Originally posted by chinawhite
looks more based on this
Type 85/89 Tracked Armoured Personnel Carrier

Naaah not at all.
Its based on the BMD-3 for sure. There' even evidence hinting to it. China bought a few BMD-3's and used it make thier own IFV :

In the late 1990s reports out of Hong Kong media noted that since 1995 the PLA airborne force had been equipped with a paratroops combat vehicle, which ‘used to be exclusively owned by the Russian paratroops’. The vehicle was said to weight about 12 tonnes and uses large calibre gun and anti-tank missiles. Other reports also indicated that an unknown number of the Russian-made BMD-3 airborne combat vehicle was sold to China in the mid-1990s.

In late 2004 a new model of airborne combat vehicle was spotted in service with the PLA airborne force. The vehicle, which is possibily developed from the BMD-3, was seen in action during the PLA airborne force’s exercise.

Like the BMD-3, the vehicle also uses five pair of roadwheels.

In the BMD-3/new airborne combat vehicle the PLA airborne force
obtained significant increase in combat capability by providing the light infantry paratroopers with a respectable light-weight armoured fighting vehicle.

www.sinodefence.com...

The Russian BMD-3 :


The Chinese IFV :

New Airborne Tank

In early 2005 there was a brief CCTV glimpse of what appeared to be a new lightweight tank for the PLA Airborne Army. Then in mid-February a Chinese military magazine also revealed a clearer view of a new airborne IFV, reportedly designated the ZLC-2000. At IDEX a Norinco official confirmed for the first time that indeed the PLA does have a new lightweight airborne tank. The official explained that China had first approached Russia to co-produce a version of the BMD airborne tank. China reportedly purchased a small number of BMD airborne tanks in the mid-1990s. However, the Russians charged too much, forcing China to develop its own new airborne tank. This program took at least five years. The Norinco official was vague about the weight of the tank but said it was "around" 10 tons. It is also made in at least three versions: command and control; IFV; and ATGM carrier. The command and control version features a higher rear hull section to house personnel. The IVF version is armed with a turret that combines a 30mm cannon with the Type-73C anti-tank guided missile. The dedicated ATGM carrier is armed with the HJ-8 ATGM. This tank is amphibious. The production of a new airborne tank will serve to strengthen the power-projection capability of the PLA Airborne Army, and may be an indication that as per previous reports, China may also be building a second airborne army.

Other reports also indicated that an unknown number of the Russian-made BMD-3 airborne combat vehicle was sold to China in the mid-1990s.

some reports indicate it some dont. there is no soild edvidence.

The vehicle, which is possibily developed from the BMD-3

possibily thats all they come up with after comparing the photos

Like the BMD-3, the vehicle also uses five pair of roadwheels.

the type-85 uses 5 road wheels to

BMD-3



NEW IFV AIRBORNE



TYPE 85 APC

here are some pictures of it in field exercise.

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[edit on 7-7-2005 by chinawhite]

This is what nakes me believe its based on the BMD-3
China reportedly purchased a small number of BMD airborne tanks in the mid-1990s. However, the Russians charged too much, forcing China to develop its own new airborne tank. This program took at least five years.

So would'nt they have disected the BMD-3 they had and used it than the older and low-tech Type 89 ?

It looks more like the BMD-3 too.

Previously also, China have done lots of reverse engineering of a few Russian weaponry they acquired and used it to produce thier own .

All this points at the BMD-3

look at the pictures i posted beforehand. can you see that the new chiense IFV is more of a boxy shape

Making Tank or IFV on any base is Easy than making it from scratch like Abhay.
not only above product even aircraft like J-10 is based on accuire tech.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by mirza2003]

Originally posted by mirza2003
Making Tank or IFV on any base is Easy than making it from scratch like Abhay.
not only above product even aircraft like J-10 is based on accuire tech.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by mirza2003]

wtf again i dont have a clue what your talking about????

hey guy look to very promising IFV with 40/30mm ? what you have to say about this design main thing is totally indian no outside help no rip off it is totally brand new base.

Another look at Russia's BMD-3





[edit on 8-7-2005 by Stealth Spy]

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Another look at Russia's BMD-3

[edit on 8-7-2005 by Stealth Spy]

thats a BMP-3. you can tell with the differnt hull and 73mm gun

Originally posted by mirza2003
hey guy look to very promising IFV with 40/30mm ? what you have to say about this design main thing is totally indian no outside help no rip off it is totally brand new base.

who can you be to sure. it hasn't even finish development. you posted some specs on it not development history

NEW IFV AIRBORNE



TYPE 85 APC






you can see it has more influence from the Type 85 APC.

Hmmm? The new Chinese IFV will be similar to the BMP-3, incorporating a 100mm gun and a 30mm cannon like a BMP-3. Fire control systems from the BMP-3 MIGHT also be included in the Chinese IFV. Having said that, I don't understand why you guys are spending 2 pages posting pictures of the BMP-3 and comparing it to the Chinese IFV, as it is clear that the Chinese one had at least some influences from the BMP-3. Being expensive isn't a problem, the M2 Bradley is also expensive. This IFV will probably be issued to elite/rapid reaction troops to serve along with the Type-98.

As for the new airportable IFV, it looks more like a BMP-1 than a BMD-3. I don't even see the point of comparing it to the BMD-3, but the technology and the armor protection will still be slightly better than the BMD-2 at least.

Originally posted by W4rl0rD
Having said that, I don't understand why you guys are spending 2 pages posting pictures of the BMP-3 and comparing it to the Chinese IFV,

yeah its quite funny. me and stealth kept on posting the same pics over and over again. dont know why

who can you be to sure. it hasn't even finish development. you posted some specs on it not development history

indian army now want to get rid of their old IFV which is BMP2 and get some world class IFV. Design dvelopmenat is going on and not much is open know more detail.
it is totally new concept than Bmp's.

I wouldn't say it is world class. The best IFVs currently in service would be the Bradley and the BMP-3. So little is known about this new IFV (weight, speed, offroad/ambphibious capability, armor and many things) that it would be foolhardy to speculate.

Originally posted by W4rl0rD
I wouldn't say it is world class. The best IFVs currently in service would be the Bradley and the BMP-3. So little is known about this new IFV (weight, speed, offroad/ambphibious capability, armor and many things) that it would be foolhardy to speculate.

few point i can clear

Bradely is poorly protected it is doubtful evan to RPG.
BMP3 is has good guns, but little space and suspected protection -price.


Abhay

Weight - 22ton
Gun - 40/30mm
Missile NAG 4/6 km
Lahat 6/8km
armour Kanchan [similar to arjun ]

more update as i get

Bradely is poorly protected it is doubtful evan to RPG.
BMP3 is has good guns, but little space and suspected protection -price.

Bradley is the best protected IFV currently in the world. Dual charged RPGs can take out T-72s, let alone Bradleys. BMP-3 has heavy firepower, is cheap and very mobile, which makes it fit Russian or Chinese doctrine since crew comfort is in the least of their worries.

For the Abhay IFV, 22 tons is in between the Bradley and the BMP-3. Amphibious capability is still unknown, and the armor protection probably won't be enough to shield it from man portable rockets. A 30/40mm gun gives it average firepower, nothing too new, and the ATGM too, nothing requiring too much new stuff.

[edit on 9/7/05 by W4rl0rD]