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reply posted on 5-7-2005 @ 11:43 PM by Ajax
Here are a few reasons that the Patterson footage COULD be fake:

1. I would think Bigfoot to be more of a nocturnal creature, and would only walk away if it were in the security of night-time, not daylight. If you approach primates don't they run, like orangutans and apes, etc? Photographers can barely get decent footage of wild apes before they run away anyway, now imagine 2 men clunking along on horseback, and the bigfoot just simply walks away? Doubtful.

2. There is hair covering everything, even the breasts and butt of the creature, don't "normal" have hairless butts/breasts? Unsure.

3. Arms seem too short proportionally, and it tends to walk very human-like.

Here are the reasons that I DO believe it to be real, and I BEG someone to refute me and argue against my facts, please.

1. Impossible to have that detailed a costume in 1967, can't even be duplicated nowadays. The body structure, muscular movement, rippling fat, etc.

2. Upper thighs and torso are huge, which would make sense.

3. The family member that claimed it was a hoax was merely attempting a money-making scam. And the guy claiming to be in the suit has no proof at all, he's just tall. Just like the dozens of other guys that claimed to be "the guy in the suit."

4. If you look hard enough at any picture or film you can find flaws. So much scrutinizing has happened to this film already, maybe moreso than any film in history. Yet nothing groundbreaking has debunked it, so that fact alone almost proves it to be real.

5. This is a new animal we're talking about, so comparing is exclusively to known things (ie: humans and monkeys isn't necessarily fair). It may have some similar, yet some different traits.

6. Finally, for everyone that says "it walks like a human so it's obviously a guy in a suit," I offer you this. For an unrecorded species of hominid, and possible missing link, isn't this exactly what you'd be looking for anyway?

Thanks.



reply posted on 1-8-2005 @ 12:27 AM by EWom
My thoughts on some of the points in this thread:
1)



Just for the record, this is in no way supposed to be a photo of bigfoot. It was a draw over by Patterson himself of the one frame from his footage, to show more clearly what he saw the face look like. So obviously when people say "OMG THATS FAKE!!1!"; it's because well; it's supposed to be. It's just a drawing overlapping a blurry photo, so the rest of us can see at least partially what he saw.

2)
As for the "why would it not run away scared?" argument. Have any of you spent any time in the woods? I have. And I've encountered a few wild animals.

I've faced down a moose in the wild. That's one scary animal to face down. They are not at all afraid of humans; and generally speaking if you fire a warning shot "at" them (warning shot meaning you discharge your fire arm, so that the noise will hopefully scare them away) they will charge you. Whenever I come across a moose, I pull my gun (.357 magnum, with about the most "poweful" rounds you can buy for it); try to keep it centered on the moose' chest area, and slowly back away, looking for high ground I can climb up onto, such as tall boulders, very sturdy trees (they will headbutt tree's with enough force to knock small ones down, and with enough force to just knock you out), etc.

Deer and Elk. Deer are small, and mostly speaking get away from you as quick as possible. Elk are huge (compared to deer, not moose though) and they also generally will just try and get away from you. A cow with a calf, or a bull in rutt however, is a completely different story. And it's about the same situation as a moose.

Mountain Lion. Unless it wants you to know it's there, the only reason you'll know it's there is the hair on the back of your neck stands up, and every instinct in your body says "GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE NOW!!!" I've only seen eith my eyes, one in the wild. Seen traces, and pretty much knew others were there. They are thus far the scariest thing I've encountered in the wild. Especially since they come out of nowhere without a sound, and disapear about five seconds later. Yet you can feel their eyes on you sometimes, and that is a horrible feeling.

Bears, grizzly and black. Both are around my frequent hiking areas. Thus far I've been extremely lucky and never faced one down. Blacks are supposed to be more dangerous, as they tend to have a higher kill % of their attacks. It's said that loud noises can often deter black bears though. They however also dont' run from the very sight of humans, and in fact around here are very much used to humans. And tend to love going through their trash at night. Grizzlies, there are many very very true stories, about them being shot, and hit, with high powered hunting rifles, and still coming straight at you. If you're telling me a .30-.06 round to the head, only makes it angrier, that the very sight of a human is going to drive it off; I'll ask you what kind of drugs you're on, and where I can score some.

Now these aren't personal experiances, but from what I've read, the larger primates; for a very long time had absolutely no fear towards humans. Only in the years with the mass poachings where they've learned "humans = death" have they started to evade us. And even then some don't. And monkeys in some countries are pests to humans. Have no fear whatsoever, and pretty much take over towns, going through trash and coming in through windows stealing food out of peoples homes etc.

Over all, the point is, not everything is afraid of people. And not everything has a need to fear people.

3) The suit argument. If it's a suit. Recreate it exactly. It can't be that hard for a proffessional special effects artist, or hell even a tailor with the right materials, to exactly recreate that suit, that was made in '67, with a much lower understanding of musculatuar than today, and much worse tools to use. Until one is created that behaves exactly as the footage shows. I will not believe that the Patterson footage is hoaxed.


That's about all I have to say for right now.
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