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Topic started on 1-7-2005 @ 10:42 PM by AWingAndASigh
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I was reading stuff on the internet as I usually do, and came across some articles on the Federal Reserve. One article basically says the US
Government will no longer be able to pay the interest on the US Debt in 2012. In other words, we will default on our debt to the Federal Reserve.
Then, I read this speach by Congressman Trafficant that says:
Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens or mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913)
"Hypothecated" all property within the federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, -in which the Trustees (stockholders)
held legal title. The U.S. citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a "beneficiary" of the trust via his/her birth certificate.
In 1933, the federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets and labor of their "subjects," the 14th Amendment
U.S. citizen, to the Federal Reserve System. In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United States corporation all the
credit "money substitute" it needed. Like any other debtor, the federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their
creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the federal United States didn’t have any assets, they assigned the private property of their "economic
slaves", the U.S. citizens as collateral against the unpayable federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks
forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations, as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the
international bankers.
Unwittingly, America has returned to its pre-American Revolution, feudal roots whereby all land is held by a sovereign and the common people had no
rights to hold allodial title to property. Once again, We the People are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in
the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. We the people have exchanged one master for another.
www.thebankruptcyoftheus.org...
You may read this differently than I do, but what I read is that if the US Government defaults on the debt in 2012, ALL US property, including it's
citizens, revert to the Federal Reserve Trustees or Shareholders. You can find out who will own you in 2012 by clicking this link:
www.federalreserve.gov...
Then check the major shareholders of the banks involved.
If Citibank owns your region, then you'll kow tow to the Saudis, since one of their princes owns an 8.9% chunk of Citibank stock. Spin the roulette
wheel to see if you end up his asset or not.
And here I thought slavery was unconstitutional. 
For some interesting commentary:
www.floodlight.org...
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reply posted on 2-7-2005 @ 01:42 PM by Amethyst
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I don't like the sound of that. 
You got all these big-spenders to thank for that one--especially Bush. (Just my take.)
Now what exactly does it take for us to be in a depression?
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reply posted on 2-7-2005 @ 02:14 PM by Chuck Stevenson
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I can't wait! Let's do it now!
Then we can have a new revolution and throw their asses out of the country along with the politicians who support this doctrine. Revoke their
citizenship, seize their passports and properties and put them on a ship to Albania.
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reply posted on 5-7-2005 @ 01:32 PM by Baphomet79
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So first, do you have a reason for picking 2012 or is it just because many people on this board pick it for the apocalypse/NWO/etc? How do we become
corporate slaves if the U.S. government defaults on its debt to the Fed, which if you knew anything about First Industrialized Country Economics you
would see is virtually impossible. And unless something has changed recently in stock trading, how does 8.9% ownership imply Saudi control of
Citibank?
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reply posted on 5-7-2005 @ 01:41 PM by syrinx high priest
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there's no doubt in my mind we don't need one bank to charge all other banks interest to loan them money they create on paper, but it doesn't serve
the greedy bankers anything to bankrupt us right ? (assuming they could)
I'm no econimost, but to me its like a credit card balance. if you pay the minimum for 30 years, you're like a cash cow they are milking. If they
tell you the whole balance is due tomorrow, and you declare bankruptcy, they lose the ability to collect. Sure they can hire lawyers and squeeze you,
but its a lot easier to keep the cow alive ....does that make any sense ?
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reply posted on 5-7-2005 @ 04:09 PM by TruthMagnet
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I believe they made us their slaves long ago...
Anything much more economically opressive then what they are already doing now would likely lead (like many have said) to a revolution.
I hope that more peole wake up to the fact we are at the bottom of a superficially imposed economic caste system.
It's foolishness...
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reply posted on 5-7-2005 @ 08:22 PM by Odium
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The Bankruptcy of the United States
Why are 90% of Americans mortgaged to the hilt and have little or no assets after all debts and liabilities have been paid? Why does it feel like you
are working harder and harder and getting less and less?
Well done to AWingAndASigh for finding this link. I remember reading the site a while ago but when I tried to search it I couldn't find what I
wanted.
It is an interesting read, they are able to back-up their claims with hard-facts and statistics and it is something which is clear to see. Once you
have so much "debt" there is no way to get out of it - without earning more money. America at the present moment will hit this point and be left
with only a few options: More privitization, such as the Prison systems and/or Military or Higher-Taxes on the people.
Govenments need to be ran like a Company, if you are in the Red your Managing Director and his staff (President and Co') are out of Office.
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reply posted on 6-7-2005 @ 05:47 PM by Fighting Kentuctian
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I recently ordered a book entitled "Financial Terrorism" by John McManus (formerly president of the John Birch Society) and it talks about this. He
says the massive debt is a way to get into us into world gov't (remember only major catastrophies could accomplish this eg terrorism, attacked by
aliens etc) How this can be achieved is when the all current tax dollars are needed just to pay off the debt to the bankers, that will cause massive
inflation because the fed will just print more useless money. Then when our economy is shot thats when the UN steps in with a solution a world
currency. By this time the people will accept anything just to bring about normality. This is a typical example of the heglian principal.
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reply posted on 13-7-2005 @ 04:22 PM by Fortimus
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Though I'm not sure if this theory would stand alone, it would seem to make a lot of sense if you combine it with the theory which states that
America is really a company, and all of us property. I think that would make it more believable.
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reply posted on 13-7-2005 @ 04:39 PM by Aim
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If you are a Citizen you are already a slave, although no one can truly be a Citizen, only their STRAWMAN can be one. Do not think of yourself being
under control or that will be your reality.
There is no law YOU can be subject to in the US, it is all Commercial Law and if you simply choose to be Oneself and not a 'tax payer' or 'Officer
of the Law' those false 'laws' stop ruling over you.
One must only remember the golden rule, treat others as you would treat yourself.
www.wealth4freedom.com...
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reply posted on 17-7-2005 @ 07:37 PM by mouser89
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As the child of an economist I can tell you, yes, this is BAD and has been BAD for a looooong time.
But why should we care now?
Um, anybody realize they did just change the law so that your property can be seized to build an office park, a mall, or whatever the **** your town,
village, county, state or country wants? Doesn't have to be real, they don't even have to PROVE it's for economic reasons. Oh, and they DON'T have
to pay you fair market price either.
www.cnn.com...
Gee, have we taken lessons from Mr. Mugabe on ho to move humans like backgammon pieces? He says it's illegal, and we say it's not right....
www.channel4.com...
Hmm, perhaps they are setting the foundation to make the seizures swift and easy. For any reason, they take our land to give the Fed Reserve and we
can be indentured servants to work it. Hello NWO overlords!
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reply posted on 17-7-2005 @ 08:00 PM by Lordling
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Originally posted by Amethyst
I don't like the sound of that.
You got all these big-spenders to thank for that one--especially Bush. (Just my take.)
Now what exactly does it take for us to be in a depression?
What would be interesting is a run on the entire banking system (you'd have to do it to all banks due to FDIC). It would be kind of amusing to see
them try to come up with the other 90% of the monetary volume which doesn't exist, especially if noone would buy the assets they tried to liquidate
to replenish the cash store. Of course, it would be hard to get everyone to cooperate & participate, without a major scare. After that, then
vive la revolucion! 
Yours in Truth
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reply posted on 17-7-2005 @ 08:21 PM by Seekerof
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No debt [other than one Stafford loan to be paid off by 2010].
House paid for [inherited].
No private loans.
Federal Reserve can kiss me behind. 
seekerof
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reply posted on 17-7-2005 @ 08:22 PM by Odium
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Originally posted by Seekerof
No debt [other than one Stafford loan to be paid off by 2010].
House paid for [inherited].
No private loans.
Federal Reserve can kiss me behind.
seekerof
[edit on 17-7-2005 by Seekerof]
Good going Seekerof, shame you still have to pay tax for the right to own a home.
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reply posted on 17-7-2005 @ 08:37 PM by brain page
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That is really a interesting thing to hear. (I have to watch my every key clik) I hope that it does not happen.
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reply posted on 17-7-2005 @ 11:38 PM by billybob
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Originally posted by Seekerof
No debt [other than one Stafford loan to be paid off by 2010].
House paid for [inherited].
No private loans.
Federal Reserve can kiss me behind.
seekerof
did you pay the national debt off, too? YOU are responsible for that, too, you know.
why can't you ever just admit that there is foul play afoot?
i have most of those things checked off, too, but it helps me not one wit if the country goes bankrupt(such an oxymoronic thing, that is, a bankrupt
country. quite a bunch of eggheads must have been cracked to make that happen).
everyone will be forced to kiss the federal reserve's derrier by 'law', the great bastion of 'justice'.
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reply posted on 17-7-2005 @ 11:53 PM by Thomas Crowne
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Ok, does anyone have any doubt as to why Jim Trafficant was tossed into jail?
Amythest, no need in getting wrapped around the axels about Bush's spencing (in regard to this) as we weren't ever going to repay it, anyway.
Those in power never wish the debt repaid, they never wish the people freed of their chattel state they are now in. The reason they imprisoned Jim is
because he blurted out what he was not supposed to tell us.
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reply posted on 18-7-2005 @ 03:17 AM by MidnightDStroyer
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Originally posted by billybob
did you pay the national debt off, too? YOU are responsible for that, too, you know.
Actually, the national debt is what the government owes to the People, not the other way around...Which is what they *want* you to believe...That's
the whole trick; The money is going to the bank instead of the nation.
Here's a couple of Income Tax related bits of news that may be good to hear, if we can make this news widely known:
The article about Schultz vs. IRS.
And another about a direct challenge to the Income Tax withholding laws.
TC is right about "them" (Specifically, the banks that own the Federal Reserve) never wanting the debt paid off...These jerks work on an
international scale, so bankrupting a country doesn't really hurt much at all especially if it furthers their own goals. But you can bet your sweet
bippy that they're not going to do anything that would hurt the world economy...They'd just be slitting their own throats.
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reply posted on 18-7-2005 @ 04:29 AM by billybob
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Ok, does anyone have any doubt as to why Jim Trafficant was tossed into jail?
Amythest, no need in getting wrapped around the axels about Bush's spencing (in regard to this) as we weren't ever going to repay it, anyway.
Those in power never wish the debt repaid, they never wish the people freed of their chattel state they are now in. The reason they imprisoned Jim is
because he blurted out what he was not supposed to tell us.
never heard of him. until now. good meme, thomas.
here's a letter from jail from 'jim trafficant'.
interestingly(to me) i was just listening to art bell, and they used the term 'traffic' to refer to the willingness of us troops to fire on american
citizens(26% said 'okay'). thank god for the other 74%!
still......
EEK!
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reply posted on 18-7-2005 @ 05:06 AM by WyrdeOne
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TC
His hair?
I'd arrest him for that alone.
But I suppose his 'uppityness' is another fine reason for the overlords to smack him down.
Seekerof
Since you're free and clear, would you mind shouldering some of my loans? I've got high 5 figures... 
Pretty please?
On topic: You can't collect some debts, the US is one of 'em. We're like Elton John, who kept spending a million dollars a month (literally) on
fresh flowers alone long after his record sales slumped and his concerts slowed down. His creditors can't cut him off, because he'd drag them down
with him, and they can't stop giving him money, because the same exact situation as just mentioned would arise. Their only option is to continue
fueling his spending in the hopes that he'll die in short order and his estate will be worth half a percent of what he borrowed.
At least then they recoup some of their losses.
Who woulda thunk it? Elton John and Uncle Sam have something in common!
I like the idea of a run on the banks. That would be a hoot. I'd grab a lawn chair and a six pack for that fireworks show.
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