"NY Lodge and lodge secretary disagree with you"
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My insinuations are based solely on the title of this thread, nothing more....
nothing less. The presumptions are ostentacious, at best, and I feel belie
the precepts of the organization. Humility, as I see it, is paramount to an
individuals' self actualization. I see no humility in your words, nor have you said anything of substance regarding freemasonry. Call it a "hunch",if you
will,but something could quite possibly "be rotten in this state of Denmark".

[edit on 8-7-2005 by lashlarue]

Originally posted by Centiment


>>>I will prove my identity to any Brother who asks, but I feel no need or >>>>desire to prove it to you. You can choose to believe me or not, either >>>>way it doesn't affect me.



See ? Even freemasons hate or at least don't care and are not affected by each others.

Hence failure of the system.


Mouhahahahaha....you don't fool the Cedric !


Cedric The Ephiminate

What the heck are you talking about That was in response to lashlarue who is not a Mason and seems to expect some kind of proof that I am.
I have absolutely no problem with proving my identity to other Masons who ask and whom I believe to be who they say they are.

Ohhhh give it a rest.


The only thing you wish to save is some
fun for the newbies.


This thread should be called
"Spoilers Ahead" and that's it.


The reasons why so many of it is revealed
is because they are people out there
who got into the masons and thought
"Gee..what's the fuss?" and so
they say it loud what it is because they
frankly don't care.


Than the masonics scream like big treason
but....you know we shouldn't take things too
seriously in life. That's the issue.




If you really want to keep secrets you oughta
start your own thing.


I mean..if that is the game...
a got a thousand ideas of enlightening
rituals.



Cheers,


Cedric PhiPhi

oops...lashlarue is no freemase ?



dammit...I want to see freemasons bitch
at each others so I can rest my case.


Please make it happen ?


Cheers,

Cedric The Prophi

Originally posted by lashlarue
"NY Lodge and lodge secretary disagree with you"
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My insinuations are based solely on the title of this thread, nothing more....
nothing less.

The title was simply a title, constructed to grab the attention of those who might be interested and be a little humorous.

Originally posted by lashlarue
The presumptions are ostentacious, at best, and I feel belie
the precepts of the organization. Humility, as I see it, is paramount to an
individuals' self actualization. I see no humility in your words, nor have you said anything of substance regarding freemasonry. Call it a "hunch",if you
will,but something could quite possibly "be rotten in this state of Denmark".

I think your understanding of humility might be a little off I am not the one who has made accusations against another,
and have responded to requests to verify my identity to the Brothers who have asked.

"made accusations against another"
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And the "spin".....Still nothing of substance.


"those who want to know more"
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How have you contributed to this? Quite simply, you haven't........

Originally posted by lashlarue

"made accusations against another"
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And the "spin".....Still nothing of substance.

No spin, I'm sorry you haven't discovered whatever you're looking for here.

"those who want to know more"
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How have you contributed to this? Quite simply, you haven't........

I disagree. I have answered those questions which were ask in earnest, which had not already been addressed.
I stated upfront I would not violate my obligation, so there's no surprise there....
I said that I would respond to honest questions, you have asked none.

you freemasons are nice around here. so i apologize, but my opinion stands the same;

anybody who joins a secret society and doesnt expect secrets to be kept from them is less than intelligent.

yes yes, i know - freemasonry saved your life and made you the man you are today. bla bla bla. im sorry, but there are no logical reasons for taking oaths or swearing to something simply so you can belong or to donate to charities. not logical atleast. ego cosmetic, maybe.

my secret is bigger than yours...Na NA


VCedr

lol. what!? keeping secrets? awww, i wanna know!! i wanna know! i'll promise not to tell!!... wait, its just a simple handshake?!

itll still be fun telling all my buddies that im in on a secret that i cant share though...

if anybody asks why i did it, ill tell em' im just a genuine good person and i like to donate to charity.

secrecy breeds contempt. and contempt breeds secrecy. thus; conflict.


anybody just wanna be friends?

"honest questions......you have asked none"
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Honesty begets the same.....hopefully. You claim to be a Mason.....Other Masons seem to be satisfied with this. How could one verify that you are
who you claim to be? Let me take a wild stab at this......You give another
member your name and lodge number and they then can verify your status
perhaps? The only problem that I have with this is that it still doesn't prove
who you are.....as say a picture id might. So in other words, other Masons
have to accept you at your word as the final "mode of adjudication"????
I've been mistaken more times than I can remember in my 50+ years,yet,
there is something that says to me that you are not a "Master Mason" as
you claim. Not being a Mason, I am not privy to esoteric inner workings of
the craft which prohibit me from asking more poignant questions. At any
rate, I've obviously belabored a point so in closing I can only say if you are
representative of the "Neo Mason", then perhaps the shrinking of the
organization can be more easily understood...............

Originally posted by Centiment
something....something....

I don't think freemasons as anymore
evilish than christians or muslims.

something....something....

This comment alone depicts your intelligence in whole.


I think i'm beginning to see why our fathers and fore-fathers are so secretive about masonry. It's much easier to say "Sorry thats secret" than to try and explain our meanings and principals to children.

Originally posted by lashlarue

"honest questions......you have asked none"
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Honesty begets the same.....hopefully. You claim to be a Mason.....Other Masons seem to be satisfied with this. How could one verify that you are
who you claim to be? Let me take a wild stab at this......You give another
member your name and lodge number and they then can verify your status
perhaps? The only problem that I have with this is that it still doesn't prove
who you are.....as say a picture id might. So in other words, other Masons
have to accept you at your word as the final "mode of adjudication"????
I've been mistaken more times than I can remember in my 50+ years,yet,
there is something that says to me that you are not a "Master Mason" as
you claim. Not being a Mason, I am not privy to esoteric inner workings of
the craft which prohibit me from asking more poignant questions. At any
rate, I've obviously belabored a point so in closing I can only say if you are
representative of the "Neo Mason", then perhaps the shrinking of the
organization can be more easily understood...............

I'm sorry you feel that way, I still have no clue what your beef is with me.
You've been nothing but insulting and accusatory from the beginning,
so I really do not have any idea what your malfunction is. I
cetainly have no inclination to entrust you with my identity, as I have
already done so with a few of the Brothers here.

If you don't believe I am who I say I am fine, then don't believe what I say.
That’s you prerogative but please stop throwing out vague accusations and
insults.

The thread has run it's course.

Closed.