Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Yo last day what your saying is correct, there was no 9/11 those planes were remote controlled into the WTC, and all this war in Iraq is about carving Iraq up and giving it to you know who and OIL,OIL,OOOOIIILLLL!!!!

Well, yeah. Believe it or not, those aircrafts probably were remote controlled into those buildings. And if you think this has nothing to do with oil I got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.

Regarding the GPS, it is true that the FBI won a court order against OnStar, which allows them to use the tracking services on your vehicle if you have the service.

I wouldn't say people are being directly decieved, at least not in the way I think of it...I would say that people choose to look away from the truth, and choose not to question what is given to them. People accept things without question. Our modern society controls people very well. People care more about pop culture to research anything about important events going on. Religion is used to trigger fear and cause people to conform to the society's ideals. Terrorist threats are used the same way, while freedoms are being stripped left and right.

If you keep people in constant FEAR as well as IGNORANCE, they will simply accept things as they are given to them. If the people in our country could do any one thing better, it would simply be to raise questions and concerns to our government about policies, and what they are doing. Why are we fighting an illegal war, why did Bush lie to us, where is Osama, why can our leaders order POW tortures and not be prosecuted...people need to turn off their TVs and start reading and learning and educating themselves.

Originally posted by Shoktek
people need to turn off their TVs and start reading and learning and educating themselves.

Amen to that!

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Well, yeah. Believe it or not, those aircrafts probably were remote controlled into those buildings.

Please don't tell me you're serious. Again, this kind of nonsense helps Bush, and takes away from any reality based involvement by them.

And if you think this has nothing to do with oil I got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.

I'm sure it does, and I'm sure 9/11 goes deeper than Bin Laden, but those were passenger jets that were flown into those buildings. My neighbor was a cop who responded to the pentagon and pulled bodies from the wreckage, he's not a Bush fan but said it was definitely a commercial plane.

Oh, come on, there is a lot to be learned from "American Idol." Joke.

Troy

Originally posted by 27jd
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Well, yeah. Believe it or not, those aircrafts probably were remote controlled into those buildings.

Please don't tell me you're serious. Again, this kind of nonsense helps Bush, and takes away from any reality based involvement by them.

Helps Bush how? So you are not aware of this technology? Sadly, most people aren't.

I'm sure it does, and I'm sure 9/11 goes deeper than Bin Laden, but those were passenger jets that were flown into those buildings. My neighbor was a cop who responded to the pentagon and pulled bodies from the wreckage, he's not a Bush fan but said it was definitely a commercial plane.

Who said anything about that plane not being a commerical airliner?

[edit on 7/1/05 by EastCoastKid]

[edit on 7/1/05 by EastCoastKid]

Oh there is something going on, and it isn't good for most people. The world is approaching a S***storm. The power of the middle class is being squeezed. The money available to the middle class ($=power) is being dramatically reduced. The middle class is being redistributed - a few become wealthy, and many more edge lower and lower approaching poverty. You see, it is the middle class where all the real power is in the U.S. or any other real democracy. They have most of the votes, and the votes DO COUNT. The problem is, a majority of middle class people don't even bother to vote. They don't even try and understand what the hell is going on around them any more. 50 years ago, everyone read the newspaper and had detailed discussions with their peers about what everything meant. This process allowed them to really understand the issues and make INFORMED decisions in the voting booth.

Today, most people just believe whatever some talking head spin doctor tells them to believe. Sorry, but is even obvious from many of the posts here. There are also many well informed and thoughtful posts here though so I think there is hope for us all. The developed world has become a bunch of wussies who only take notice when some comfort they have been taking for granted is suddenly gone. The price of gas in the U.S. is a prime example.

Moderate opinions are on a serious decline in the developed world, and it is my belief that when there can only be one opinion that matters in deciding the future, the future is in jeapordy.

Greed is the one thing that will lead this world to its inevitable destruction. But the modern society and "developed" world encourages everyone to take advantage of everything and everyone to further themselves financially. Our society forces the belief of "Money & Power = Success". We've had such "great" technological advances in the last years...developing biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons that can wipe out everyone on this planet...developing modern conveniences that just destroy our world. Damn, we've really got it made in this modern world. Where will all of this technology and development take the human race in the long run...where is it going, what is the point? People are looking in all the wrong places for answers, but ignoring the most important...

"If you didn't care what happened to me,
And I didn't care for you,
We would zig zag our way through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain.
Wondering which of the buggars to blame"

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Helps Bush how?

I stated it twice I believe, it helps Bush by taking focus off plausible conspiracy theories and gives those who support the man ammunition when they urge what's left of the general public that actually thinks for itself, to dismiss those of us who believe the government had some hand in 9/11 as part of the lunatic fringe.

So you are not aware of this technology? Sadly, most people aren't.

I've heard tell of this "remote control" technology.

Who said anything about that plane not being a commerical airliner?

Well, I understood your post to at least humor the idea that remote control planes, not hijacked airliners full of human beings, to have been used in the 9/11 attacks. Perhaps you meant the hijacked airliners full of human beings controls may have been remotely overidden by the U.S. government and flown into the targets? Brainwashed, religious nuts flew the planes into the targets. As for our governments involvement, I think perhaps at some point after the FBI agent here in Phoenix made known her concerns about extremists in flight schools, somebody in a high place maybe decided to sit on the info and at some point maybe decided to weigh some pros and cons. A few hundred American lives in exchange for a blank check and authorization to undertake any military, oil grabbing adventure they choose. I say a few hundred because I doubt anybody who was in on the attack knew the towers steel would melt and that they would collapse. I hope, if the government was aware of the plot and let it happen, their black hearts are heavy when they think about what they did. Assuming creatures that greedy have any humanity left in them.



[edit on 2-7-2005 by 27jd]

There is a more sinister side to the numbers and symbols we are now beginning to see. These numbers and symbols have to do with satanic worship and they have caused a "Strong Delusion" to come over the people and that is why they beleive the lies. Not to turn this post into a religious one, but I need to refer to the bible for a moment. When GOD told his people to destroy a nation of Idol worshippers, he also told them to destroy the Idols and to "BURN" all the "IMAGES" The images allow for a satanic power to rule over that nation and this is why they were commanded to burn them.
The same is true today, and it is why so many people are deceived and beleive the lies being told to us, these "IMAGES" the 13's, 3's Pyramids and others invoke a blindness over the people.
Why do you think a lot of buildings over 13 floors tall, do not have a 13th floor? it is a known fact that it has been considered to be a bad omen. Many strange events have happened on Friday the 13th and also Halloween which is a backward 13. Then there is Appollo 13, which was launched at 13:13 military time. Our alphabet has 26 letters = 2 x 13 52 cards in a deck 4 x 13 same as weeks in a year. Is it a coincidence that the 13th Chapter of the Book Of Revelations, a book that describes events that will take place in the last days, tells that the Anti-Christ will cause ALL to recieve a "MARK" (the digital angel chip perhaps) in their right hand or forehead and that as we speak, in europe today in order to gain access to private areas of certain clubs you need to have the chip implanted in order to buy drinks or recieve certain services. This is only the begining of a worldwide movement to compel all to recieve a mark that will allow them to buy or sell, WAKE UP.
Soon you will have to have a "Implanted Chip" or a digitalized biometric ID Card (the Number of the Beast) in order to buy or sell.
In Revelations 13 it says that mankind would be forced to receive a mark or number, today we have the "Chip" (the mark) and the "Smart Cards" ( the number) and currently they both can be used for "Buying"
Most people that own a business need to use their Social Security ID number in order to sell. How easy would it be for the government to use your SS ID number for all Buying and Selling ? And how easy is it to put this information in a Chip ? WAKE UP !

[edit on 2-7-2005 by Lastday Prophet]

Have you considered the possibility that a lot of people are perfectly happy being decieved, and decieving themselves. No-one wants to cope with reality, and the difficult decisions it requires, it's far easier to just to get along believing what you're told.

Believe it or not, those aircrafts probably were remote controlled into those buildings.

Honestly, I don't believe this, like a lot of the 9-11 conspiracy theories it's unnecessarily complicated and barouque, and probably intentional disinformation (not on your part ECK, but the people spreading the theory). Why go to all the trouble and expense when you can find fanatics perfectly willing to do it for free?

Not that I find it difficult to believe that members of this administration were complicit in or at least had foreknowledge of the attacks. In fact I have come to believe that this is probably the case. But radio controlled airliners, surrepitously placed demolition charges, Global Hawks disgiuised as airliners - none of this was necessary, the numbers of people who would have to be involved would almost guarantee leaks.

In reality, all that was required was controlling the flow of information, making sure a couple FBI agents in critical positions were ordered to look the other way, making sure a bunch of drills were scheduled for the day of the attacks to maximize confusion and prevent a timely response.

[edit on 7/2/05 by xmotex]

The greatest deception of all could be all of these wacky conspiracy theories.

A perfect way to pollute the truth, sending the theorists in all the wrong directions away from that very truth.

It is not perfection, however it has worked quite well so far.


ESP

One way to see that the conspirousy theory is FACT is to relise that the end result of all this is the Gov will suspend most if not ALL your constitutional RIGHTS , claiming to do it to combat terrorists, if this doesn't happen the these conspirousy nuts are just that NUTS, BUT IF IT DOES THEN they knew what they were talking about, now tell me people were are you Americans headeing as of now towards your Constitution or AWAY from it?????

[edit on 2-7-2005 by SiberianTiger]

Whether you beleive or not, the proof is right before our eyes.

There is no one that can refute the fact that all things are in place for a marking system. 911 and the terrorist served to bring about a vast increase in the ability for the World Governments to monitor the activities of the masses. This indeed was the plan from the beginning. WAKE UP

Is it by chance that we are beginning to see many major merges?
They are getting rid of all the little guys and soon everything will be owned by the corporations.
TV is owned and operated by the ELITE and most of the products we see advertised are products the corporations own, this is why we have begun to see their IMAGES on all that they own. Just go to your local stores and you will see the 3's, 13's, 6's and Pyramids on the packages of most major brands. Most times the symbols or IMAGES are inverted and turned sideways, but they are there if you look closely.
In the same way that satans symbol is a upside down cross, so to are the satanic IMAGES turned upside down or sideways.

It may have been asked before...

but why would big businesses go through the trouble to put 3s, 13s, 6s, and pyramids on their products. Why would anyone in charge of a secret, and sinister scheme as grand as this one go through the trouble to put clues out, that could potentially undermine the whole "plot"?

Companies have been merging since the dawn of the industrial revolution... it's nothing new.

EvilSockpuppet has have very good, and valid point.

The greatest deception of all could be all of these wacky conspiracy theories.

A perfect way to pollute the truth, sending the theorists in all the wrong directions away from that very truth.

To quote a very well respected member of this board (in my eyes):

Conspiracies are fun! If you think you know what they're REALLY doing, maybe it makes you feel more powerful and on the "inside". Only the "sheeple" believe all the government lies, where WE know better. You remember the sheeple, of course -- they were those poor fools who believed that Y2K was going to be, at worse, a bump in the road. Shows how dumb they were, right?

From another thread on this board.

The same people that believe this bunk, are the same people that believe the freemasons are part of a sinister plot to rule the world, and/or "welcome the aliens when they arive".

These are also the same people that believe that:
A)9/11 never happened
B)The WTC was hit by holographic airplanes, covering missiles.
C)The planes were flew into the WTC by remote control (thats a new one...)
D)Gov't commandos took over the planes, and flew them into the building.
E)Freemasons took over the planes, and crashed them into the WTC (Yep... I've heard that on this board.)
F)It was military tanker planes, not commercial airliners that hit the WTC.


Don't get me wrong though; I'll be the first to say that big bussiness DOES NOT have the best in mind for us. They do want to make money, and they do want to become richer. However; it's just foolish to call it fact that they're involved in a massive conspiracy that involves:

Mind control: (you didn't bring it up, but I've seen it in other threads/posts) They're trying to control us via additives to water, radio towers, and chemicals found within artificial sweetners.
Monitoring 24/7: Cellphone cameras, GPS found within cars, and cellphones.
Altering modern day events: 9/11, The Anthrax scares, etc. (there was some shady business deals prior to 9/11, but this does not even come close to indicating a giant conspiracy, hellbent on taking over the wolds gov'ts, to enslave the human race.)
And tons more outlandish claims.

Whats even more foolish is believing that some everyday, average guy, or gal such as yourself would even stumble upon, uncover, and understand such a conspiracy, as well as all the levels it goes through.

You guys have never been to America if you think there is an elite controlling everything.

America is very much so like the wild west. There is so much criminal activity America it's insane. Drugs, prostitution, gambling, and pornography make up so much of our economy.

And the elite can't do anything. Look at the biggest intrusion the elite attempted on our society: prohibition and war on drugs. It didn't work. It failed miserably.

Go to any bar and you will see a ton of crime that goes unnoticed. And the real criminals we do catch and convict, like murderers and rapists, are let off the hook due to overcrowding.

The possibility of an elite controlling the population in America is absurd. It is far too vast for it to be done.

Also the society is too open. First chance someone gets to blow the lid on this conspiracy they will do it for a million dollar book deal.

Also we are armed. One person in America can do a ton of damage. Go to Lowes and stock up on gardening chemcials, and go to Walmart and stock up on shotguns, and you can take out everyone with less than $10,000.

Organized crime still runs rampant. You have billions and billions of dollars worth of drugs and guns crossing the boarder. You have billions of dollars in methamphetamine and marijuana being made and grown right at home.

And to the person with the Jim Morrison logo, you need to rethink some things. If it wasn't for technology and advances, you would have mob rule. You will have people attacking other people to rape their women.

Hang around a biker gang for a while, that what it would be like if we didn't have rules and didn't have technology. It would be dirty, nasty, and brutal.

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
One way to see that the conspirousy theory is FACT is to relise that the end result of all this is the Gov will suspend most if not ALL your constitutional RIGHTS , claiming to do it to combat terrorists, if this doesn't happen the these conspirousy nuts are just that NUTS, BUT IF IT DOES THEN they knew what they were talking about, now tell me people were are you Americans headeing as of now towards your Constitution or AWAY from it?????

Ok so when the mean ol Gov has taken all our Constituion rights away....then what?
And by "Gov" what do you mean? Do you mean elected officials? I don't know if you know anything about the structure of our government, but the vast majority of government workers are regular people. So once they take their own rights away, then what?

Originally posted by RedWhiteandBlood
America is very much so like the wild west. There is so much criminal activity America it's insane. Drugs, prostitution, gambling, and pornography make up so much of our economy.

You live in Vegas I take it?

Becareful when you say stuff like that. People may actually begin to believe it's a real representation of America. Having traveled all over this country several times (and am about to do it again in a couple weeks), something very few people actually do (yet they say stuff like this as if it's fact) I fail to see why people insists on perpetuating false negative sterotypes. I'm not saying all that stuff isn't happening or doesn't happen, but "like the wild west"?? lol, exaggeration is spelled with two 'g's right?
If you're coming over here from another country, the biggest crime you'll probably see is someone picking up some money off the ground. Technically a theft.

Another question, how do you stop all the crime in America?
If you increase the number of police, then you'll have a bunch of people (especially some from this board) complaining we're turning into a police state, blah blah blah. Yet these people offer no other solutions.

lastday prophet............

You have way too much time on your hands................The elite aren't that elite...............

I will agree with one thing you said..................I'd sooner close up the borders of the US and guard against terrorist that way rather than fight them on unknown ground................

but if we don't take the battle to them, they might cross our borders in the air..............with a missle or two...........................with some nuclear tipped warheads......................

then what use is all those guards on the border then?


So we really have to do both.............