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Student gets F grade for mentioning God

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posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:43 PM
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A college in southern California is now investigating the case of a student who says she was given an F for mentioning "God" against the expressed wishes of her atheist instructor.


I think that the current Liberal Mindset and Atheist Agenda is the Yang to centuries of intolerant religious institutions (not sure what that is? go here.) controlling education, morality, and the very fabric of society. The dog is having it’s day.

www.worldnetdaily.com...

Flamed Monkeys, no just for being warm and toasty anymore…




posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:59 PM
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It's good the ACLJ has taken the case. Yhey're quickly becoming a rival of the ACLU on religious matters, and have been fairly successful in previous cases.

"You may as well have written about the Easter Bunny" Wow. The teacher pretty much came out and said she has to believe what he believes or she's gonna fail. What did he expect her to do? She's writing a paper on religion in government, but isn't permitted to use the word God because the professor doesn't believe He exists? Fhat the wuck?


"Her paper was not one written 'about God' per se. Nor was her paper inherently and necessarily religious. And, in keeping with the requirements of the assignment, it was assiduously supported with citations to authority and written objectively. Consequently, even if, in a country in which academic and constitutional freedoms are so highly prized, it could be constitutional to impose a topical ban on papers about big 'G' gods, it was sophomoric error to read Mrs. Hauf's research paper as falling within the prohibited zone."


[edit on 6-30-2005 by junglejake]



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 02:03 PM
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Here we see further examples of the vile hypocrisy of certain groups of people.

The whole point of these very "movements" of civil liberties and freedoms etc was to prevent people from forcing their views on others and allow everyone to have their own beliefs.

It is truly sad that these things have been taken to such an extreme that their original message is lost and an EDUCATOR can fail someone for mentioning god in a paper and then make fun of the student for believing in god.

Civil liberties... only for some?

[edit on 6-30-2005 by Djarums]



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 07:49 PM
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So, I have to take a science test, and it asks me "How does Centrifigul Force work." According to you I can answer "god did it" and not be failed? What? Hell, next year senoir year, gonna be so easy!

"What is radical of -3 divided by the absolute value of -6.2 over 4 times the recipricol of 0." God did it(no clue)

"In what year did the American Civil War end?" God did it.(1865)

"In what chapter did Sam admit to not being alone in the bombing?" God did it.(second to last)

"The atomic weight of oxygen is what?" God did it.(I think it's 8)

Now, am I suppose to get an A on all those tests or am I to be flunked for being an idiot? Am I the only one who sees answering questions with "God did it" or the like wrong? I don't get it, if I had known this years ago I would have graduated early. Hell, I'd be out of HS right now cause I would have been passed several grades and in HS by the age of ten for getting straight 100% A+++++ in every class, every grade.

You can't say "God did it" then have the local church burn the school down and shoot the people as they run out because they won't let you answer questions with "God did it". Although that would be cool to see on the news.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 08:18 PM
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So, I have to take a science test, and it asks me "How does Centrifigul Force work." According to you I can answer "god did it" and not be failed? What? Hell, next year senoir year, gonna be so easy!

Umm No, you definately have the WRONG picture. None here is saying that will be and should be the case.

There is still science that noone can dispute....for example, the Baking soda and vinegar thing. "god did it" is not an accaeptable answer...there is still a reason WHY it happens. And if someone is so stubborn enough to answer "god did it" then the teacher can simple tell them to answer according to the textbook....then they have no excuse.

Im a Chrisitan and I would really pissed if a teacher ask me leave God out of my work...and if I got an "F" because of it....I would be super pissed.

This teacher is obviously close minded and not worthy of being called an Educator. She needs to wake up and smell the truth....that thier are people put there with other beliefs.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 09:56 PM
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What? The teachers says not to answer things with "god did it", a kid did, he was wrong, and so she failed him.

"Write an Essay on the Wussification of American Teenagers today and why it is happening. 5-10 pages, 1st draft and final draft needed, a brainstorming paper, and all resources needed."

God Did it.

"You were suppose to write a 5-10 page essay with blah blah blah, etc etc etc."

Waaaah!!! I was taught on the third day god created the Remington Pump action shotgun so man could fight the dinosaurs and the homosexuals!(Lindsay "hot bod" Lohan in Mean Girls) Give me an A!!!

"No, you got it wrong, you didn't do what you were suppose to."

Ok, local church, burn this school down while I get lawyers to sue them.

That's all this is.

Spelling/quote symbols " redone.

[edit on 30-6-2005 by Jestaman]



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:09 PM
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Humanism in and of itself is a religion. I was reading a column on World Net Daily (see link below) that it takes more blind faith to believe in evolution than to believe in a Creator God.

I don't just believe there's a God, I KNOW there's a God. I know that to some that may sound arrogant, but hey, it's merely stating a fact. There's just no way that there isn't a God.

That being said, these atheist/liberal "teachers" are actually pushing off THEIR religion onto other people. And before someone screams about the Inquisition, that was the Catholic church that pulled that stunt. True Christians do NOT force people to convert--it has to be voluntary.

Blind Science--The Liberal Alternative to Reasonable Faith



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:11 PM
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Jestaman, she did not give a simple answer like "God did it".

I can tell that you did not read the story.....the artcile clearly says:


Bethany Hauf, a freshman at Victor Valley Community College near San Bernadino, wrote the G-word 41 times in a paper titled "In God We Trust," examining the role of religion in government.

41 times...Im pretty sure she had a few sentences in between them 41 "Gods". The story goes on to say that her paper is actually a "10-page report".

Jesterman says,


"You were suppose to write a 5-10 page essay with blah blah blah, etc etc etc."

10 PAGES!!!!! where are you getting this idea that her paper was a one-liner???? 10 PAGES.

See Jestaman, may times school reports are called different things, like a "term paper" and so on.. This does not mean it is a single piece of paper....it can 5 pages or even 10 like it is in this case.



[edit on 30/6/2005 by SportyMB]



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:21 PM
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Everyone here is missing the point. The bottom line is she couldn't follow or didn't want to follow simple instructions. If the assignment specifically mentions omitting a god view, then she deserved that F. Otherwise she may have a case, but highly unlikely as it was motioned to her verbally to omit a god view.

The prof probably didn't want to read biased opinions about what some students thought about god and straying from the assignment objectives.

Objectives of the assignment were not met. 100 pages of BS warrants an F.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by Jestaman
What? The teachers says not to answer things with "god did it", a kid did, he was wrong, and so she failed him.



www.worldnetdaily.com
Bethany Hauf, 34, a freshman at Victor Valley Community College near San Bernadino... a mother of four from Apple Valley, Calif.



www.worldnetdaily.com
...adjunct English instructor Michael Shefchik.


So she wrote the paper, and he gave her an "F."

Student=female (God did it)

Instructor=male (God did it)

Perhaps a remedial reading comprehension class is in order?

Gender Monkeys, not just for he said, she said anymore…



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:23 PM
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In case you guys haven't figured it out Jestaman appears to be trolling.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Jestaman
"What is radical of -3 divided by the absolute value of -6.2 over 4 times the recipricol of 0." God did it(no clue)

"In what year did the American Civil War end?" God did it.(1865)

"In what chapter did Sam admit to not being alone in the bombing?" God did it.(second to last)

"The atomic weight of oxygen is what?" God did it.(I think it's 8)


their is one pritty big difference between these examples (very bad ones at that) and what the student wrote, the student had to write a paper that actually had to do with religon, none of these do



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by websurfer
Everyone here is missing the point. The bottom line is she couldn't follow or didn't want to follow simple instructions. If the assignment specifically mentions omitting a god view, then she deserved that F. Otherwise she may have a case, but highly unlikely as it was motioned to her verbally to omit a god view.

The prof probably didn't want to read biased opinions about what some students thought about god and straying from the assignment objectives.

Objectives of the assignment were not met. 100 pages of BS warrants an F.




There wasn't a God view.

Seriously, do posters ever read the articles before they post?


"paper titled "In God We Trust," examining the role of religion in government."

"Her paper was not one written 'about God' per se. Nor was her paper inherently and necessarily religious. And, in keeping with the requirements of the assignment, it was assiduously supported with citations to authority and written objectively."


An atheist could write a paper examining religion in government. It doesn’t make the paper a religiously based paper or mean that the writer is a religious.




[edit on 30-6-2005 by zerotime]



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by zerotime

In case you guys haven't figured it out Jestaman appears to be trolling.



I actually see where Jestaman is coming from.

zerotime appears to be trolling with stupid one liners. *reported*

Still 10 pages of BS. She strayed from the assignment objectives. She has to learn to respect the teacher, otherwise WTF is she doing in college.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:32 PM
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Perhaps many haven't read the arictle. Bethany Hauf's thesis was based on God in government. Not an answer of "God did it." I researched it a little more and found this on ACLJ's website.

www.aclj.org...


Hauf notified the instructor that her topic for the research paper would be “Religion and Its Place within the Government.” In an email to Hauf, Shefchik, a self-described atheist, said the topic was within the bounds of the assignment. However, he put one troubling condition on Hauf’s paper: “I have one limiting factor,” wrote Shefchik, “no mention of the big “G” gods, i.e., one, true god argumentation.” Hauf’s paper included a thoughtful and historical look at the role that God and religion have played in the formation of our country and government. After presenting a draft of the paper to Shefchik, as required by course requirements, Hauf was told that because she had written off topic about God, at best, she would be graded 69 out of a possible 100 points. Shefchik told Hauf that among the reasons for the low grade was that references to “God” could be offensive. After presenting her paper on Friday, Shefchik handed out the final grade on Monday and gave Hauf a score of 49 out of a possible 100 points for the research paper.


It seems to me that it would have been somewhat difficult to not use the word 'God' in an approved paper on religion. Not impossible though. Perhaps she could have repeated the refrain 'protestant religion.'



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:39 PM
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"I have one limiting factor – no mention of big 'G' gods, i.e., one, true god argumentation," Shefchik stated.


There we go. A teacher says to do something within his specifications then do it. All she had to do was follow simple directions, which she seems incapable of.

Here's an analogy

Your given a physics problem on an open book test.
You copy the solution to an example problem, and use the first ammendment to back it up. You also say the questions looked the same (when in reality they weren't).



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:46 PM
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Still 10 pages of BS. She strayed from the assignment objectives. She has to learn to respect the teacher, otherwise WTF is she doing in college.

What about the teacher respecting the students? hmm an Atheist (sp) tells a Christian student that she cannot have the word "God' in here paper.....

What if a known Chrisitan teacher tells a student that he/she cannot denounce the existence of God in a paper? Would you still say the same? Even if the student's foundation for his/her paper denounced the existance of God...or lack of religion in America...or whatever?

Her paper met all requirements.....The teacher simply did not want the word "GOD" in it. Why is this? Is it bad to say "God"?

This is clearly a violation of ones civil rights.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:48 PM
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Again, the woman's paper is not a "One true God" arguement. She did not write that God was good for Democracy. Or that God should be in government. - which would be a One True God arguement. She wrote a paper examining the role of religion in government. Not even close to a one true god arguement.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:52 PM
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I read it, why I used 5-10 pages(since she wrote that many) in my example.

So, she wrote "God did it" 41 times.

And for the monkey guy, I read it, I don't care what they are, male, female, transexual, I just use He and She in general, and that I read student whining because they got failed for not doing what they were suppose to do.

I realize I probably should have used the correct term for them, but I don't care. This topic is stupid.

A teacher tells you to do something, YOU DO IT!!!!! If a teacher tells you to write a paper about how monkeys made a space ship and flew to Mars to have sex with the little green aliens and that is how dogs were domesticated, YOU WRITE IT! You don't say

"No, I am gonna write about how the japanese made a lazar and put it on the moon and threatened the USSR with it and when the USSR refused to comply the Japanese used the lazer to vaporize entire cities and this is how the USSR/Communism fell."

And then whine when the teacher flunks you for not doing what you were suppose to do! Or in my case, last year the teach had us write a report on the battle of Gettysburg and why the south lost it. I didn't feel like it so I wrote a paper on monkeys.(I Love monkeys, why I keep using them in my examples) Anyways, he failed me and asked why I did it. I told him I didn't care, a 37%F brought my grade down to a C, so on par with all the rest. Did I sue? Did I go on the news and cry like a little girl because he failed me for not writing what I was suppose to? No, I took the F, and in fact I still got it cause it amuses me.

Anyways, still a stupid topic. A student is failed for not doing what they were told to. It's like getting math homework in Algebra and writing down quotes from Shakespere.(A million monkeys typing on typewriters will re-wrie the works of Shakespere, ort something like that)

Trolling? Aren't one-liners against the rules? I read the ATS T&C, and while some rules are hard to follow, one liner is so easy to follow. Even if you bs to make more then one. Although if you have such little to say that you only can type one line probably best not to type anything.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:53 PM
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Looks like her god told her to:
A) not do the assignment as it was asked of her to do
B) not follow the chain of recourse as is required of her as a student
C) run to a lawyer to get her spoiled way
D) run to the christian right press to put pressure on the school

You know if you don't do a job the way you are told to do it in the professional
world, its called insubordination, and is grounds for dismissal.

Her essay can be found here

Here's her email address

bethany_1776@yahoo.com



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