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AP Photo of Iran President as hostage taker. Fake ?

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posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 02:48 PM
These images were probably held by numerous international press organizations and widely available in libraries on microfilm, previously published books, and on the Internet way before this guy ever was even thought of as becoming Iranian President.

There's no way a conpiracy to alter all these photos could exist because it certainly could never be successful.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 03:45 PM
ohh really?

well i did the image bellow in 15 minutes, and i wasn't gettin paid by the CIA... in this day and age of digital manipulation software, no image is worth a thousand words. Maybe i should mail it to the Iranian Propaganda Ministry

[edit on 30-6-2005 by metallicabrainz]

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 03:57 PM
sorry to spoil your fun... see my previous post..

the BBC now says it is not the same guy...

so faking is no longer a consideration...
please stop putting bush jr in dresses and terrorist garb...

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:02 PM
conservatives have no sense of humour evidently, and you didn't spoil my fun lmao, i posted that news from the bbc about it not being the same guy like literally 5 hours ago... pfff

[edit on 30-6-2005 by metallicabrainz]

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:08 PM
The old picture of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad holding the arm of a hostage is the one and the same as the new Iranian President. Two things stood out: his cranial-area eyebrows and his high cheekbones which he still have them today. Granted, the picture is a little fuzzy due to JPG compression. I need a hi-res image of that pic to compare Ahmadinejad of 26 years and Ahmadinejad of today.

Another thing surrounding his height. Ahmadinejad may be a short guy but he could wearing shoes or boots that would give him an extra inch or two, making him a bit taller. How many undersized guys wear shoes or boots that make them look taller? Plus his full hair make him a bit taller, too.

Twenty-six years can change your facial appearance, more or less (depending on your parents' genes and other factors).

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:20 PM

Originally posted by sigung86
I guess I'm curious as to why this is an issue at all? In the final result, does it really matter? Thanks.

It matters a great deal. Right now, as we speak, the NeoCons at the Pentagon/CIA, are engaging Iran covertly. This could very well be a disinformation ploy to stoke America's anger toward the new Iranian president. That would make it so much easier, then, to bomb or invade Iran. If Americans' think the new president took part in the taking of our hostages back then, they'll give the Bush administration carte blanch in dealing with Iran.

Of all the things that have happened in my lifetime, the hostage crisis had to be one of the absolute worst things that has happened. I hated Iran for many years b/c of that.

As for those pictures, I think the front shots may be fakes. Not the profile. I can't say with certainty that those shots are the same person, as another member pointed out. And the line around his head is very odd. Looks like someone went around the guys head with an eraser; or like someone cut out the picture and pasted it in. The line would be the background from the original picture.

What I want to know is WHO took the shots? Surely someone can identify if they're doctored or not. Where are the other people who were in those photos? If they are alive, they're the one's to ask.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:22 PM
I don't exclude the possibility that the person in the images is not the new president of Iran, but I can't imagine that any of these were faked and several of the hostages honestly think it is him.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:22 PM
I actually thought the pic was cute...
(i was hoping for one in a dress)

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:24 PM

Originally posted by AceOfBase
This is the clearest copy of the original photo I've found so far.

November 8, 1979: A blindfolded American hostage is paraded in front of the American Embassy in Tehran. (Photo: AP (file))

Getty Images has yet another version that is not as cropped.

Image #2669616
Title: American Hostage
Subject: News, Unrest, Conflicts and War, Acts of Terror
American Hostage
An American hostage being paraded before the cameras by his Iranian captors. Following the Iranian revolution over fifty American hostages were taken and only released after four hundred and forty-four days. (Photo by MPI/Getty Images)
By/Title: MPI/Stringer
Date Created: 1 Jan 1979 12:00 AM
City, State, Country: , , Iran
Credit: Getty Images
Collection: Hulton Archive

Getty, Iran Hostages

[edit on 30-6-2005 by AceOfBase]

Anybody else notice everyone else in the photo is looking down or in the other direction? Our man in question appears to be looking right at the camera - as he walks the prisoner along. I think that's strange. Maybe conspiratorial, but still odd.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:28 PM

Originally posted by John bull 1
In the background there is a guy with his right hand on his hip and his left hand scratching his head.

Is it me or does his right elbow overlap the hostages head in the foreground ?

EXCELLENT point! It DOES. What the hell does that mean photoexperts?

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:36 PM

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
EXCELLENT point! It DOES. What the hell does that mean photoexperts?

Looks like JAK already covered that here

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:41 PM
Have anyone ever thought about there is a possibility of a video footage of Ahmadinjad and his people walking down with a hostage toward something, which a photographer took some pictures, including the now-famous image of a hostage surrounded by hostage-takers?!

I distinctly recalled a video footage of that one several years back during an anniversary event of 1979 US Embassy takeover in Iran.

Once the media get ahold of that video footage and reveal it to the world, it should silence you doubters!

[edit on 6/30/2005 by the_oleneo]

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:42 PM

Originally posted by esdad71
This first picture hides the people behind the bushes.
The mans elbow against the mans head is an optical illusion. granted, it does look strange, but there is nothing out of place.

An optical illusion?! Do you really believe that?

This is no different than a Man who was once a member ofthe KKK or the black Panthers later in life occupying a gov't office. Remember David Duke? Just because he didn't win, doesn't meant that someone with a background in militant politics is not someone who may occupy office.

If that was the case, he would not deny it. And, it would have surfaced before their election. Our foreign services would have used it to sway the election in our favor. So now, out of the blue it shows up - just as we are engaging Iran covertly. If it walks like a duck and quaks like a duck...

What would it matter if this man was once part of that violent act. Ever think maybe he worked for the US back then also , and now it has come full circle, and there may be no war? There are numreous scenarios, but I feel there is nothing fake with that picture. Mistaken identity I could beleive, but no a doctored photo.

It matters greatly for the purposes of war against Iran. Gotta dupe the folks back home into supporting whatever action they decide upon. Gotta piss 'em off to get their blessing.

Am I reading you right, you're suggesting that he worked for the US back then? Or could have?

I suggest you do some reading on the Iranian president and his politics. Then come back and re-read that statement of yours.

Besides, we need no 'reason' to go to war.

Why is that?

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:49 PM

Originally posted by XPhiles
Since Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is proven to be a full fledge terrorist...
I think we (USA) should completely blow Iran off the map hehe

Or at least destroy anything nuclear they have.

You see. This is exactly the effect they are looking for.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 04:58 PM
Thx for the link to the BBC article.

I could buy that the photos were real. But not that that was the Iranian president. They look similar (height notwithstanding). What this little episode has proven is that someone wanted racial profiling mentality to kick in. You know - they all look the same. It's got to be him.

I'm not defending this guy, either. I just want honesty. If it was him and he admitted it, then so what? We all know the guy's an avowed hardliner.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 05:27 PM
exactly EastCoastKid... be on the lookout for more attempts to villify the Iranian president... i find it hard to believe that the CIA didn't already know the names of all who took part in the hostage taking... the idea that a few hostages decades later identify the man, that those ex-hostages inform the CIA after all this time... and then these photos are found... its ludacris... clearly this is a pathetic psy-op and we all know why... whether the photo is doctored or not, whether it shows the President or not... its timing and the origion of this story/photo makes me think its a psy-op. I mean its just too damn convienient... suddenly a photo of the new President involved in harming American citizens... no way, this has CIA written all over it. Remember, one of the hostages who supposedly noticed the 'resemblence' was himself a CIA agent in Iran.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 05:30 PM
Its him for sure....

Ahmadinejad was a founder of the group of young activists who swarmed over the embassy wall and held the diplomats and embassy workers hostage for 444 days.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 05:40 PM
I don't think anyone, including the president-elect, disagrees that he was part of the movement that seized the hostages.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 05:40 PM
look... i agree that there is an uncanny resemblence for sure... but, and i dont mean to sound racist, alot of iranians look very similiar and with decades of ageing between the images... what's the point in a face by face analysis... its the circumstantial evidence that matters now (and the height discrepency).

If you wish to prove your point by doing a face by face analysis, find the images of the President when he was closer to that age... the bbc found them and came to the conclusion that they are not the same people...

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 05:42 PM
It's been confiremed, and is now all over the is the SAME man!

CNN confirms!

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