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Originally posted by Daedalus3
There was no riot in India today..The opposition party tried to enforce an unlawful curfew because some six terrorists had stormed into a sacred hindu worshipping site..That's what happened today/yesterday..
Nepal has a Hindu Majority.. Is it a part of India??..
Religion (At least in secular democratic republics) does not dictate boundaries.. and it never can if we are to progress(evolve) as a species..
Originally posted by chinawhite
There was a riot in india yesterday/today. i saw it in the news..
from what i heard the people in kashmir are from different ethnic groups to the inidan side of the border. not indian controlled kashmir.. they are migrants from pakistan??
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Originally posted by chinawhite
There was a riot in india yesterday/today. i saw it in the news..
There was a terrorist attack in Ayodhya, at sacred Hindu shrine by Pakistani islamic jehadi terrorists of the Lashkar-e-Toibha outfit.
Everyone was enraged and the opposition organised a huge rally condemning the act and demanding the resignation of the home minister for the security lapse.
from what i heard the people in kashmir are from different ethnic groups to the inidan side of the border. not indian controlled kashmir.. they are migrants from pakistan??
Kashmiri islam is based on sufi islam which is a mild and rare form of islam and shuns violence. This variety of islam is unique to kashmir and is found not in other part of both india and pakistan. They are not migrants from pakistan. This variety is local to Kashmir. Pakistan has a blood thirsty jehadi from of Islam (shia+sunni) and sends its terrorists to wipe out this sufi islam
Around 20% of Kashmir's population is buddhist. They are frequently attacked by the pakistani islamic jehadi terrorists as they are soft and easy targets.
Pakistan has mass murdered around 400,000 native Kashmiri Hindus called "Pandits" in PoK. Kashmir is also the native home of thousands of Sikhs (who also have been vicitmised by islamic jehadis). The pandits in Indian Kashmir(a sizeable population) too are always tagetted by these jehadi pakistani terrorists and have as a result left kashmir and moved to other Indian cities soutwards.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Kashmiri islam is based on sufi islam which is a mild and rare form of islam and shuns violence. This variety of islam is unique to kashmir and is found not in other part of both india and pakistan. They are not migrants from pakistan. This variety is local to Kashmir. Pakistan has a blood thirsty jehadi from of Islam (shia+sunni) and sends its terrorists to wipe out this sufi islam
Around 20% of Kashmir's population is buddhist. They are frequently attacked by the pakistani islamic jehadi terrorists as they are soft and easy targets.
Pakistan has mass murdered around 400,000 native Kashmiri Hindus called "Pandits" in PoK. Kashmir is also the native home of thousands of Sikhs (who also have been vicitmised by islamic jehadis). The pandits in Indian Kashmir(a sizeable population) too are always tagetted by these jehadi pakistani terrorists and have as a result left kashmir and moved to other Indian cities soutwards.
Originally posted by chinawhite
i also read that there are quite a few kashmirin insurgents
from what i read these people come all over the muslim world to fight in kashmir. its just pakistan gives them guns and ammo.
people left over from the war againest the soviets joined the war againest india in the south?? they are called holy warriors or Mujahideen
The Contours of Pakistan Support
All policies and orders to all terrorist groups are controlled by Pakistan Army, through the ISI. Orders for raising a terrorist group, their organization, their training and even the minutest details are vetted by the ISI. The terrorists groups are funded, trained in camps and thereafter all orders including targets to strike also comes from the ISI. Orders come from Pakistan either through satellite phone, on email, telephone and also the Embassy in Delhi.
So all policy, planning, orgainsation, training, provision of weapons, equipment, funds and thereafter supporting infiltration is done by Pakistan Army and ISI. For infiltration, the terrorists are brought upto a Pakistani Army post and thereafter launched. In the old days, Pakistanis used to fire at us in order to cover their infiltration, however, the firing is not mandatory, as now even without firing they are trying to come through. Lastly the propaganda all over the world on the Kashmir issue.
Based on the information available from satellite photographs, interrogation of terrorists captured/surrendered, captured documents, human intelligence and electronic intercepts, currently 65 to 85 terrorists camp by established by Pakistan functioning in POK/Pakistan. As of now, Opposite the Valley, about 2000 terrorists are ready to infiltrate. Approximately, the same number are opposite the Jammu Region and about 500 to 600 opposite Ladhak Region.
Funding of terrorism
The aspect to be understood is that support for terrorism in J&K is not due to any love for Pakistan but it has become more or less an industry. The foreign terrorists are infiltrated for a tenure of one year. They are paid Rupees two lakhs prior to induction and three lakhs on return. Funds for the Proxy War are provided mainly from Islamic countries and the narcotics trade. ISI is known to be a big time collaborator in the narcotics trade amounting to $ 2 - 3 Bn annually. A local terrorist is paid upto Rs 5,000/- per month and foreign terrorists Rs. 10,000/-. The terrorists are also rewarded for major actions like for killing a Major or equivalent of the Security Forces, Rs 50,000/- is given as reward. Rs 50 crores have been given by Pakistan as ex-gratia payment to kin of slain terrorists.
To the porters, Rs 10,000/- is paid for an ammunition box that he carries across the Line of Control. He is normally in a position to carry up to four ammunition boxes. Therefore, in just one trip a porter makes across Line of Control, even though there is danger to his life, he makes Rs 40,000/-. If he does four trips in a month, he has made Rs 1,60,000 which is lot of money in this part of the world.
The guides are paid Rs 10,000 per man he takes across the Line of Control. If he has taken 10 people across, he makes a lakh of rupees per trip. Therefore terrorism in J&K is a Blue Chip industry. When the problem is being resolved this industry would have to be taken care of prior to solving the Kashmir issue.
Weapons and Equipment Provided by Pakistan to the Terrorists
Terrorists are being provided with sophisticated weapons and equipment by Pakistan including missiles, rockets and state of the art communication systems. Till now approximately 40,000 weapons including Assault rifles, Machine Gun, Rocket Launchers, Sniper rifles, Mortor, and Pistols have been recovered. 58381 Grenades, 33681 kgs of explosive have also been recovered from the terrorists, which are enough to equip more than two Army divisions. Satellite phones and large scale use of computers for email is on the rise.
Number of Terrorists Killed and Apprehended
More than 16,982 terrorists have been killed in the State since 1990. Out of these more than 5,000 have been foreigners. Ever since 1992, the number of foreign terrorists killed has been on the rise with the number of foreign terrorists mainly Pakistanis and Afghans last year being approximately 69 percent of the total terrorists killed. We are sure that this year it will be even more as 60 to 70 percent of terrorists operating in the J&K are Pakistanis, Afghans and a small number from other Muslim countries.
Maximum Casualties of Civilians
Unfortunately ever since the beginning of Non Initiation of Combat Operations period, the civilian casualties have been higher. The terrorists have targeted political workers, surrendered terrorists and so called informers. In addition, a large number of civilians have been killed or injured in grenade attacks and IED explosions by the terrorists. Total of 14393 civilians have been killed due to terrorist violence.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Pakistan has always been recruiting Al-Queda elements and Taliban elements as they are the blood thirsty kind who wont surrender but will fight to the last round of ammo. Pakistan gives them both arms and money and will give a monthly compensation to their families if they die fighting.
Originally posted by chinawhite
i never throught Al-Queda was involed in kashmir. taliban are to busy fighting the northern alliance and america to go to kashmir
lashkar-e-toiba and jaish-e-muhammad and hizbul mujahideen. these guys are Mujahideen. there are local ones recruited in IOK
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
First of all, there is no such thing as IOK. Kashmir is an integral part of India and this is reaougnised by most nations including the UN.
Pakistan's claim is that since it is a muslim majority, it should a part of it and they have unlawfully occupied portions of Kashmir which are referred to the world over as "PoK" i.e Pakistan occupied kashmir or "Azad Kashmir".
Extending this to create an IOK is a first and is a blatant error.
Originally posted by chinawhite
i also read that there are quite a few kashmirin insurgents
not all shia and sunni are terriorists. from what i read these people come all over the muslim world to fight in kashmir. its just pakistan gives them guns and ammo.
people left over from the war againest the soviets joined the war againest india in the south?? they are called holy warriors or Mujahideen
Originally posted by Daedalus3
Yeah... just like people come from all over the world to bomb Madrid, London etc..
THe militants in kashmir ARE foreigners.. 99% of them.. thats the whole point..
Thats why its not a freedom movement.. no kashmiris themselves participate in such militancy..
Originally posted by Daedalus3
well i dont have to agree with stealth spy.. maybe u miunderstood him..
The militants do indeed call themselves "freedom fighters"..
I mean they can't call themselves "foreign helpers" now can they!!
And you yourself said they com from all over the world.. then how can they be freedom fighters??
You need to have indegenous ppl involved to make it a freedom struggle..
Originally posted by chinawhite
even stealthspy agreed that there are kashmirian freedom fighters.