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posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 07:36 PM
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For those familiar with the Bentwaters UFO case from December 1980, this guy Sam Morgan was the base commander at Bentwaters RAFB in England and he released the audio tape of Charles Halt in the forest. It's amazing I am even able to communicate with him. Don't even bother asking me for his email address cause I'm not giving it out!


"You ask many questions so it is going to take a number of notes to answer them.

At Bentwaters I was initially the Assistant Chief of Maintenance for the six A-10 squadrons and it was during that time Chuck Halt was running around the forest claiming something was going on. Shortly after that I became the Base Commander and my responsibilities included the Security Police Squadron. Halt was a Lieutenant Colonel and was the Assistant Base Commander throughout the time I was there.

Halt, for some reason, liked to hang around with the Security Police and was constantly meddling in their affairs.

When I became the base commander I inherited an office, desk, and other such stuff from Colonel Ted Conrad who became the Assistant Wing Commander. In the desk I found a tape from a pocket recorder. Halt was carrying the recorder in his shirt pocket on the night the guard at the Woodbridge gate said he saw some lights in the Rhendelshem (?) forest. Halt, Lt. England, and some other guys went out into the woods to look around. One of the guys was a junior ranking sergent from the chemical gear training office who carried out a very crude geiger counter. Halt made lots of dopey comments about what he thought he saw and they all commented that they "thought" they saw something register on the Geiger counter.

I listened to the tape and then called Halt in to tell me about it. He acted very silly. I next went to the RAF Commander, Major Don Moreland, and asked him what he knew. He said there was nothing found at the scene at all. He said he filed a report with the Ministry of Defense essentially saying there was no evidence other than the comments of Halt and some of the other guys.

No one every committed suicide. No one ever came under any pressure on any aspect of the matter.

When I got back to the states I was the Director of Maintenance at the Ogden Depot. A fellow I know had become a reporter for CNN and he came to my house to ask about the matter. I told him about the tape and gave him a copy. I later heard he sold the tape to a Japanese TV company for a lot of money. For some reason they sent me a kimono in the mail.

After Ogden I became the Director of Logistics for NORAD and Space Command. My Space Command position caused a lot of people to think there was a lot more to the story so I began to get lots of calls. For a while I gave anyone a copy of the tape who asked for it but the callers became abusive so I told them to get lost.

I am a Mechanical Engineer, a career fighter pilot with lots of experience in the -100, F-105, F-4, A-10, and other aircraft. I was a senior AF officer with a Top Secret SCI clearance. If there was anything to the stories about UFO cover up, I would know about it. I never saw anything that did not have a very logical explanation.

Right now we can see to the edge of the known universe which is 10 to the 25th power in meters. We have seen no sign of life in that space. Einstein postulated that the ultimate speed is the speed of light. Nothing within the distance that could be covered in your lifetime traveling at the speed of light has ever shown itself.

I hear of conspiracy theories and I doubt them all. No group of ten guys could ever keep secret anything about alien visitors.

If you have other questions, please let me know.

Ralph Haynes was a maintenance officer at Bentwaters while I was there. He sent me your note."

Sam Morgan




posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 08:22 PM
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OK, no thoughts or opinions?



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 08:54 PM
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Yeah I'm of the opinion that he's full of it. He's a career military guy. He's not just going to come out and tell alien stories. He has a lot more to lose then he ever could gain, especially his credibility. Why should he care if the public knows the truth? He knows the REAL story and it wouldn't bother me one bit if anyone else knew, if I were him.



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 11:37 PM
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The facts he gave there were complete bull, what a joke.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 12:26 AM
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Im familiar with this case as i lived near bentwaters in the early 90's. As i recall there was a Triangular object in the woods that glowed and sent down a red lightat their feet and moved through the woods at one point it came close to the ground were the lights on the object began to accelerate and the object kinda discintergrated. In the day light they returned to the site where three indentations were found and gave off a slight radioactive signature. This is the story as i heard it and as i recall the US brass took the matter very seriously and were none to happy the story got out. They did not even want the brits to know what happened ou there. BTW there were british civilians who confirmed the sighting.

I dont care how "powerful" our telescopes are or how good our space imaging is your not going to tell me that because you havent seen anything doesnt mean nothing is out there. Most planets in other systems, even close by, appear as dots. One thing im certain of, we are going to have to go out there and look because our government wont divulge anything.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 12:59 AM
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the guy is trying to convince us that

The Absence of Evidence = The Evidence of Absence

its true; hes full of BS

is he lying? Probably



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 05:14 AM
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I lived at Tunstall, the village closest to Bentwaters, in the 1980s. My parents ran the village pub, and may even have met Sam Morgan. I also knew Rendlesham Forest pretty well.

What's interesting is that no-one ever mentioned this case and I only became aware of it after moving away from the area.

Personally, I think that's because there was no case. If something strange really had happened, surely the local kids or regulars in the nearest pub (which, for a time at least, some USAF servicemen drank in to) would still be hearing rumours a few years later?



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 07:28 AM
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when the military has a secret; they dont talk about it at local pubs

Or Anywhere...for that matter

It doesnt Exist Nothing Happened We arent Even Talking About This

kinda like that



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:11 AM
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You have to realize that military people are a proud bunch (and rightly so) who dont particularly like the idea of their tenure being associated with something as fringe to them, as UFOs and Aliens.

Look at Roswell, the only atomic bombing wing...they did a job that demanded excellence...for chrissakes theyre handling the most devastating bomb in the world at the time. They should be commended for that...but instead theyre known for the UFO crash.

I know were I in their shoes I'd be a bit pissy about my dangerous and high responcibility job during that time being overshadowed by a UFO story.

I was at a Hechinger's store (remember them? the pre-dater to Home Depot?) back about 10 years ago. As I stood in line, 2 old men were in front of me talking about their military service, promted I suppose by the man farthest from me wearing a hat with his division on it, and date.

"Where were you at?" He asked the man closest to me.
"I was in Roswell" the man replied. "you know, where the flying saucer crashed...thats all gonna come out soon."

My ears were like a dogs...what did he say? Did I hear that right?

I walked behind him out in the parking lot, and asked if I could speak to him. He was very kind, as I explained to him my interest in UFOs. He went on to tell me he was one of the guys scouring the field of debris. He said that as they were on hands and knees they were constantly being told it was their patriotic duty to never mention the incident or anything they found. His line was searched at their completion, and they went back to base.

When I aksed him about the metal and debris, he told me flatly "look these experts can say what they want, it was like nothing I have ever seen before or since. Squeeze it quickly and it'd cut you...squeeze it easy and slow, and it'd crunch down to a pea sized ball. Let it go, and it'd flatten out like you never touched it."

I asked him why he'd never talked publicly about it.

"Because alot of guys I knew didnt wanna be known for that...it's embarrassing to them. The ones who werent out there, knew something was "off", but they were proud of their job and to have something so crazy to make a name for the base... made them ashamed." I dont think he wanted to embarrass his friends, and he felt it might..as well as his base.

Can ya blame these guys? If I was to work a year on a really great movie set, and during the movie a pink elephant walked into the theater and took all the attention..I'd be a little pissy too...all that work and responcibility and all anyone remembers is a damned elephant.

Altho I dont believe Roswell was a UFO/alien event, I still understand where certain military people would be angry that, thats what their base is known for...not the job they did in a unique situation (as was the case with Roswell and Bentwaters/Woodbridge).

Sounds a little like the man has an issue with Halt, a personal one. Not surprised at his response.




[edit on 30-6-2005 by jritzmann]



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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Thanks for sharing. I don't think he's lying. I think he's telling the straight-up truth about this incident.

Agree, absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence, but it also does not equal presence of coverup. I think the government[s] hide all kinds of things related to UFOs, but personally, I don't believe alien visitation is one of the things they're covering.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 11:24 AM
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Muzzleflash is right. You don't talk about such an important event to anybody.

But hopefully there are honest and courageous people like Larry Warren who testified about this unbelievable three nights ufo event. Please read his testimony at the Disclosure Project and i hope you'll understand that what happened at Bentwaters is the damn truth.

[edit on 30/6/2005 by Musclor]



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 11:25 AM
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Well hmm... we have top clearence military folk like Sam Morgan saying nope, nada, nothing - and then we have top Space specialists like Gordon Cooper saying - well - they are lying and that its just part of the job to cover this up..

So... career military like Sam Morgan have every reason in the world to not talk about the truth - but - the many U.S. and foreign Astronauts like Gordon who claim there is something going on, have no reason whatsoever to lie about these things...

(in fact they leave themselves subject to ridicule and harassment - usually the sign of someone acting on their conscience instead of their best interests)

I tell you what, get the arrogant Mr. Morgan to tell his side, hooked to a lie detector, and in front of some interrogation experts, and then I will feel a whole lot more confident about his testimony.

Until then, he, like me, has plenty of reasons to keep certain facts to himself.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 11:55 AM
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When I became the base commander I inherited an office, desk, and other such stuff from Colonel Ted Conrad who became the Assistant Wing Commander. In the desk I found a tape from a pocket recorder. Halt was carrying the recorder in his shirt pocket on the night the guard at the Woodbridge gate said he saw some lights in the Rhendelshem (?) forest. Halt, Lt. England, and some other guys went out into the woods to look around. One of the guys was a junior ranking sergent from the chemical gear training office who carried out a very crude geiger counter. Halt made lots of dopey comments about what he thought he saw and they all commented that they "thought" they saw something register on the Geiger counter.


This doesn't sound very plausible. No career army guy would leave his post without having his quarters cleaned out prior to his departure -- right down to the last tape in his desk. The whole story sounds a little contrived, right down to the extraneous details added to lend credibility to his "matter of fact" assertion that nothing went on.... that aside, I don't think his clearance would, automatically, have been high enough to be privy to details of extraterrestrial visitation (IF you believe the "rumors" with regard to the level of clearance required to know much of this information).

While I don't think this guy is outright lying, I do think that his story is probably carefully conceived. Most likely, he truly doesn't know anything and has been trained to ignore what he doesn't know and tell a story that conveys what he does know (nothing). Further, he's certainly NOT going to talk about anything that went on at the base that his superiors told him "never happened"... regardless of what he may have thought he saw or heard from others.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by TruthMagnet
I tell you what, get the arrogant Mr. Morgan to tell his side, hooked to a lie detector, and in front of some interrogation experts, and then I will feel a whole lot more confident about his testimony.


You dont need that...the man says nothing happened. So, the base was on alert for...nothing right? The filed report by Halt was about...nothing right?

This is all just made up by Halt and Co., right?

Yeah...right. You have any idea what they'd have done to Halt or any other serviceman for such a stunt?

Please, the man obviously has an axe to grind with Halt, and he's not going to give up anything other than *his* story. Which is that everyone is strange and seeing things.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 12:17 PM
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thats funny, when did we get a global apiture wide telescope that lets us see every arc minute of every second in the entire 3D- 360 degree free space around our planet out to the edge of the solar system ????

Thats crazy. we do not even have a comprehensive catalog of all the known viewable stars lets alone 100% of the rouge space rocks flying about within our solar system.

How in the world is someone going to make a statement that nothing out of the ordinary has ever been observerd all the way out to the edge of our solar system.. When we do not posses the ability to "see" every arc minute/ second of the viewable sky at one time. This would require such a huge array of telescopes and such a monumental amount of processing power that to even decode 1 second of "image capture" would take probably 10 years.

Sorry but this guy like every other Goverment spook is full of it.

That just absurd and completely bunk.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by robertfenix
thats funny, when did we get a global apiture wide telescope that lets us see every arc minute of every second in the entire 3D- 360 degree free space around our planet out to the edge of the solar system ????

Thats crazy. we do not even have a comprehensive catalog of all the known viewable stars lets alone 100% of the rouge space rocks flying about within our solar system.

How in the world is someone going to make a statement that nothing out of the ordinary has ever been observerd all the way out to the edge of our solar system.. When we do not posses the ability to "see" every arc minute/ second of the viewable sky at one time. This would require such a huge array of telescopes and such a monumental amount of processing power that to even decode 1 second of "image capture" would take probably 10 years.

Sorry but this guy like every other Goverment spook is full of it.

That just absurd and completely bunk.



Personally I question whether it's really him at all.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:36 PM
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Oh it's really Sam Morgan. Here's his second response. He sounds really smart when I asked him about the TR-3B propulsion and the Aurora:


"First you have to understand just what a plasma is. A plasma is made up of atoms that have lost all of their electrons and therefore they have a strong positive charge. You can move a plasma with magnetism or any negatively charged item. However, nothing about this would affect the G-forces on an air crew. G-forces on an aircrew are the result of centrifugal force.

Top Secret SCI means Top Secret, Special Compartmented Information. For special projects you can have special levels of security and one comes to mind. The move of the headquarters for Air Forces Europe from Lindsey Air Station to Ramstein Air Base was titled the "Back of the Envelope" Study. Everyone that was privy to that information had to sign a paper showing they had been briefed. Then, if there were any leaks, they would know who had the information.

The Aurora is an aircraft that is supposed to go very fast in the exoatmospheric area. All airplanes have two speed limits. The Q-limit is a measure of the strength of the front of the airplane and it is a low altitude speed limit. The F-105 had a Q-limit of 810 knots calibrated which is a little over 900 miles per hour. If you went much over this speed you could start failing the structure of the airframe. The other limit is a Mach limit and it is a speed limit to keep from over heating parts of the airframe and the engine intakes. The F-105 had a Mach 2.2 limit. By flying exoatmospheric you can avoid a Mach limit.

About rea 51, you would be disappointed if you knew everything there."







posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 02:50 PM
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Well I believe that last part at least...

I sure as heck wouldn't keep anything so important at a base so heavily scrutinized by the public (and presumably foreign powers).

However, I mite put on a little "magic" show once in a while to keep people busy speculating about it.




posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by meshuggah1324Right now we can see to the edge of the known universe which is 10 to the 25th power in meters. We have seen no sign of life in that space. Einstein postulated that the ultimate speed is the speed of light. Nothing within the distance that could be covered in your lifetime traveling at the speed of light has ever shown itself.

I hear of conspiracy theories and I doubt them all. No group of ten guys could ever keep secret anything about alien visitors.

If you have other questions, please let me know.

Ralph Haynes was a maintenance officer at Bentwaters while I was there. He sent me your note."

Sam Morgan



This last comment about not seeing any life through a telescope should be a little tip off as to how credible this guy is.

If he expects anyone to believe that line of seeing life through a telescope he may be pretty bad off. As a matter of fact if he believes that line himself I would be inclined to think that he may in fact be slightly retarded.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 07:57 PM
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I agree. That was a pretty lame statement. He's not a scientist, he shouldn't talk like he's one. Of course I didn't say that to him, but I know. Let him think what he wants to think...



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