I think it's pretty damned silly. I've heard about this before from some people on this site. Seems like nothing more than people being overly paranoid about nothing. Fearing something they don't understand. That's my take on it anyway.

I liked this:

Here's some skinny on these towers from a friend of mine who has had access to some crucial inside information.

And my sisters cousins roommates girlfriends parents are secretly working with a race of superants to.... yeah....

I for one welcome our new Super Ant overlords.

Anyway, they are just cell towers. Particularly they provide you with these new fancy high speed internet to your pocket features. New technologies require specialized antenna.

I have been considering starting a thread on this very subject.

My son and I drive around our town together frequently on errands to the post office, bank, market, etc. A few weeks ago, my son saw a large crane (he's really into big cranes, constuction vehicles, fire engines, etc., like any young boy). The crane looked to be putting in a telephone pole right next to our local bank, which was kind of odd, because there were no other poles in the vicinity. Then my son said, "No Daddy, they're putting up a tree!" It certainly did look like a pine tree, all right. But trees grow from seeds, they're not screwed together with nuts and bolts! We finally realized that what we were looking at was a cell tower (or whatever) disguised to look like a pine tree. Since then, along that same street over a distance of maybe two or three miles, we have spotted six or eight of these same towers, all disguised as pine trees and placed in relatively inconspicuous locations around other trees, etc. If it hadn't been for us seeing the one by the bank going in, we never would have noticed them.
It has now become somewhat of a game for my boy to spot these things, and to date we have seen at least twenty-five of them in about a five square mile area, some disguised as pine trees, others as palm trees, and some just as in the pictures from the link above.

Could it be possible that the explosion in cell service has created such a great demand for bandwidth, or whatever, that all of these towers are necessary to provide service? If so, then how come my cell phone keeps dropping calls, and why are there still so many areas where I get a 'no service' message?

I will try to get pictures of these cell tower trees and post them here.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
We finally realized that what we were looking at was a cell tower (or whatever) disguised to look like a pine tree. Since then, along that same street over a distance of maybe two or three miles, we have spotted six or eight of these same towers, all disguised as pine trees and placed in relatively inconspicuous locations around other trees, etc.

This is because they are somewhat of an eyesore. You are correct it is becoming increasingly desirable to disguise cellular towers as trees.

Could it be possible that the explosion in cell service has created such a great demand for bandwidth, or whatever, that all of these towers are necessary to provide service? If so, then how come my cell phone keeps dropping calls, and why are there still so many areas where I get a 'no service' message?

Yes, with the exponentially increasing users comes the need for tighter cells to provide stronger signals and make frequencies available by cutting down transmit distance between cells. As with any complex system, the more variables that exist, the more errors will occur.
And you get a 'no service' because obviously the tower you are seeing is not owned by your provider.

I just don't buy it. Obviously this and obviously that. Its only obvious to you, apc. All those towers and not one owned by the 'can you hear me now' company? Give me a break!

And why are there always two (just two) debunkers that jump on threads like this right away? Maybe it is the propaganda machine at work (could it be one debunker, two screen names? Maybe they like talking to themselves). If so, they will now probably assign a whole cadre of debunkers to this thread, to debunk the two debunkers claim I just made.

"Move along now, move along people. There's nothing to see here." Its like they are trying to wrap the thread in crime scene tape and keep people away from it.

Deny Inconceivability!

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
I just don't buy it. Obviously this and obviously that. Its only obvious to you, apc. All those towers and not one owned by the 'can you hear me now' company? Give me a break!

So just because your Verizon phone cannot get a signal on the protocol it is currently operating on (Maybe you need to get a trimode phone so you can default back to analog AMPS whenever you cant get a CDMA/FDMA signal?) means there is something sinister going on?

And why are there always two (just two) debunkers that jump on threads like this right away? Maybe it is the propaganda machine at work (could it be one debunker, two screen names? Maybe they like talking to themselves). If so, they will now probably assign a whole cadre of debunkers to this thread, to debunk the two debunkers claim I just made.

I dont know where youre getting 'two' but it's not my fault there are only a few knowledgable users on here who are quick to point out when people demonstrate they dont understand what theyre talking about.

Deny Inconceivability!

I didnt say it was impossible. I just said these are just cellular towers, because they are.

Not only is this "triangulate on a single house" total BS, because radio waves simply don't work in this attempted description (you need dynamic yagi's or parabolics, not static fixed antenna...), but there are so many technicians, engineers, and general employees involved that hundreds of thousands of workers would have to be 'in on it.'

I have contracted for the cellular industry. I have played monkeyman on the towers. I can assure you, I am not 'in on it.' But that is obviously the last thing you would want to believe, right?

If theres was any such thing as puplic mind control, that site wouldnt exist, the goverment wouldnt let the author to make it. They would control his mind and make him not do it. Simple.

Originally posted by apc

Not only is this "triangulate on a single house" total BS, because radio waves simply don't work in this attempted description (you need dynamic yagi's or parabolics, not static fixed antenna...), but there are so many technicians, engineers, and general employees involved that hundreds of thousands of workers would have to be 'in on it.'

I have contracted for the cellular industry. I have played monkeyman on the towers. I can assure you, I am not 'in on it.' But that is obviously the last thing you would want to believe, right?

Actually, I agree that these are likely just cellular or PSC towers. The appeareance of them as a "blight on the landascape" by the Public Service Commission who now currently control how many and where these towers are erected is likely the reason they have been redesigned to blend into landscapes. However, the ability to traingulate a position using these towers is very real and done through the CMRS Board for the purpose of E-911. LMUs or Linear Measurement Units are in prcoess of being installed nationwide with an estimated 20% of the country already online with it. They tie in with GPS and network location programs which allow emergency personel to assign an address to a mobile call along a highway. Curiously enough, this program is being funded by Homeland Security and began in Puerto Rico so I think we can all read between the lines from here on out.

Yes, apc, I do have a tri-mode LG 4400 (though it is somewhat outdated now), and this is nothing personal between you and me. I don't obviously believe anything, one way or the other. I'm keeping an open mind, that's all. The human brain does operate on EMF (you're unbelievable!), just like these towers do, which leaves the door open for lots of speculation.

Just out of curiosity, how far do you live from the nearest one of these benign towers?

Originally posted by astrocreep
However, the ability to traingulate a position using these towers is very real and done through the CMRS Board for the purpose of E-911.

Triangulate location, yes. Focus an "energy beam" on a single target via triangulation, as the original article discusses, is 100% nonsense.


Icarus Rising: I do apologize if I came off seeming personal, however you stated you don't "buy it" and I am making it very clear there is nothing to "buy" rather facts to understand.

apc,

At times, critical analysis does its job too well, leading to an absence of facts mired in a jumble of opinions. Your opinions, with your stated background, are rooted in things that you accept as fact, and are well supported. I meant you no insult by not 'buying it', simply stated my curiosity and the fact that the jury is still out on this one with me. I have noticed in the past that contoversial threads like this are quickly jumped on by (usually) two debunkers. I apologize for implying that you have any ulterior motives for posting to this thread.


peace

Oh, I did not mean anything I posted to be the only reason for these structures just the most likely. Thats not to say something subversive isn't going on with this technology. These LMU devices have much broader applications than locating emergency victims and if you're a terrorist and you just discussed you evil plans with Osama via cell phone, I'd say you're screwed. Look up and say "cheese". As for using Rf to influence the human mind, I don't doubt that repeated exposure would cause an effect because for an amateur license most of the test is exposure limits. However using this to control is a bit out knowledge area.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
And why are there always two (just two) debunkers that jump on threads like this right away? Maybe it is the propaganda machine at work (could it be one debunker, two screen names? Maybe they like talking to themselves). If so, they will now probably assign a whole cadre of debunkers to this thread, to debunk the two debunkers claim I just made.

Ummm... ok then. Firstly any moderator or administrator can check the IP of a poster to see if they have the same IP. If you're paranoid about multiple posters being the same people. Ask a mod or something. Secondly I just have a differnt opinion on this subject of mind control towers. I think it's silly, that is all.

"Move along now, move along people. There's nothing to see here." Its like they are trying to wrap the thread in crime scene tape and keep people away from it.

Deny Inconceivability!

Oh shut up with that nonsense. I am not, nor is anyone else trying to keep people away from this thread. Dear God, I have a differnt opinion than yours, so what?! The fact that we are even discussing this subject and aguing about it should tell one something about how well those 'mindcontrol' towers are working... Not to well...

jra,

Come on, a little lively debate with a couple outlandish statements shouldn't earn me a shut up from you, and it isn't nonsense. If you don't think that the powers that be aren't out there trying to spin things in their direction, then whatever mind control techniques are being used seem to be working well enough on you. Go ahead and be a lemming if you want. Maybe you should move from BC to Alaska and go jump off a cliff with all the other lemmings (they don't really do that, do they?).

You guys are on the right track but they are watching you and they will not let you in ... Why are you guys looking in all the wrong places .. it is right in front of you the cover up has been going on teh WHOLE TIME !

bet555 - you mean the mind control is trying to come through my computer monitor? Thats whats right in front of me right now. I never cover up my monitor, though.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
jra,

Come on, a little lively debate with a couple outlandish statements shouldn't earn me a shut up from you, and it isn't nonsense. If you don't think that the powers that be aren't out there trying to spin things in their direction, then whatever mind control techniques are being used seem to be working well enough on you. Go ahead and be a lemming if you want. Maybe you should move from BC to Alaska and go jump off a cliff with all the other lemmings (they don't really do that, do they?).

Oh i'm sure lots of Governments would love to be able to spin things in there direction, no denying that. But if we're talking about the Canadian government... well... I wouldn't really consider them to be competent enough to be able to setup some network of 'mindcontrol' towers (let alone to have the money). Hell i've never once seen a towers like the ones shown in the original link anywhere in my town.

Also, from what I remember reading in that article, it says something about them using this stuff in Iraq in '91 in the first gulf war, which is what apparently made the Iraqi soldiers surrender so easily... well gee, that sounds like the perfect thing they should be using right now. If it works that well then how come they arn't? Think of how many soldiers lives that could have saved.

That there makes me quite skeptical of the whole thing.

Thanks for your opinions, as for me, Im open minded about it. I know the government wants to control our minds, but they already are by the media and television. The ELF towers do sound kind of outrageous, but at least if it is true, we are aware of it.

i believe its definately going on...they want to control our minds and make us believe thoughts like "BE SUBMISSIVE" or "DONT FIGHT"...things like that when they try to take over during marshall law....