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reply posted on 28-6-2005 @ 09:45 PM by orionthehunter
I believe the planet is warming up but the reason is debateable as to what extent man is the reason. The amount of warming has been less than was anticipated as well. I believe the oceans are absorbing CO2. I read an interesting theory within this link www.iceagenow.com... that states that underwater volcanic activity caused the last big warmup with a surge in underwater volcanos warming up the Pacific and Arctic oceans. As oceans warmed up they released a lot of greenhouse gases which they do when they warm up. Arctic ice melted and possibly shut down the gulf stream conveyor in the process which is a mechanism the oceans use to transport heat. After this the ice age started I believe. This process of warming up with greenhouse gases and then an ice age is a recurring natural process that may be happening now.

Considering that 80 percent of the world's volcanoes are underwater and many are active I believe I read, we really do not know how much of what is going on is part of a natural process and how much man has contributed. I'm not even sure if we know how much the deeper layers of the ocean may have warmed due to volcanic activity.

As far as land temperatures increasing consistently, that data may be flawed as well in my opinion. If you take data from the same point over time you might consider that to be reliable information. However, if you add a bunch of buildings and asphalt parking lots (modern city developments) in increasing amounts in the vicinity of these data points, I believe that alone will raise your average temperature. I think it is debateable to argue greenhouse warming based on these temperature data points within cities. Our cities may be warmer but is the countryside that much warmer? Just my two cents opinions.

I am really wondering if there is a big surge in underwater volcanic activity warming the deep layers of ocean within the Pacific and Arctic. This could IMO melt the Arctic ice and shut down the gulf stream. The world will undergo massive precipitation at times and the ice age will be starting. It's possible a cloudy Earth would reflect so much sunlight that there would be planetary cooling IMO. I don't place too much faith in all of the weather computer models either. We have all known a forecast for rain or sun and the opposite happened. It does seem that we live in interesting times. I'm wondering if I will see a liquid Arctic ocean within the next 10 to 20 years or if it will get hot or cold.


reply posted on 1-7-2005 @ 01:06 PM by tigerjr
Think about the consequences of global warming... an eventual ice age... Scientists say that there have in fact been several ice ages in the past. So it is really inevitable, however the reason for me pointing that out is that it is quite possible that we do not have as big an impact as we think. Sure chemists have told us what the atmosphere is made of and what these chemicals do when they mix them in their experiments, but remember their experiments are in ideal and perfect conditions... but can anyone tell me if we live in a perfect world? That is just a personal thought... onto other things, It is perfectly possible that we in america don't hear about this sort of stuff due to the fact that we did not sign the darn treaty (which we should have and at least ACTED like we were caring and doing something). That is entirely possible, however I think it is just that scientists are saying "hey it could happen we just don't know if it is, the only proof we have could also just be natural cycles." and well... you also have to think about the fact that scientific "knowledge" about things changes everyday... In the past 20 years for EXAMPLE medical science has changed what is healthy and un healthy almost monthly, switching back from one extreme to another. Sorry Mr. MIB the link isn't there any more aparently MSNBC doesn't think any news except for today's is of any interest... Once again I will say all the chemists know about our atmosphere is what happens ideally with only the major elements involved - none of the smaller traces present. All I gots to say is that if it is happening we do have ceran wrap, we do have rockets, fix the thing.


reply posted on 2-7-2005 @ 01:31 AM by carlwfbird
Due to the capitalist nature of America, it is not in the interest to hear news on global warming or anything else for that matter that would mean slowing economic growth by means of change in the nightly news. I don't know what you mean when you say it's funny that the only place you hear about global warming is in high school courses. The literatrure is out there. I suggest you look for primary research articles, or even do a google search. There was recently a study on the Arctic Climate Impact Assesment that can be viewed here
www.acia.uaf.edu...

In this report, you will see why it is hard to assess how much heat is absorbed or reflected by the earth. With the changing climate, the natural albedo of polar areas is changing. To put this another way, we know that white colors reflect light and darker ones absorb it. This report points out that with increasing temperatures, the vast majority of sea ice and inland glaciers (not the polar caps quite yet at such the same rate) are melting dramatically. As a result, the light color of the glaciers is replaced by darker land or water that absorbs heat. This processes just continues as the absorbed heat influences the next ice mass.

Similarly I recommend Red Sky at Morning by James G Speth.
Based on your retoric alone, I figure you may just brush off any facts in these works. For you I recommend one last work,
Taking Sides: Clashing Views on Controversial Environmental Issues published by McGrawHill.

The Book addresses the primary issues today in concise form and addresses the points from the traidtional republican and democratic party views. While I feel that one particular article on global climate change seems to be weak in this book, I believe you may be enlightened by some of the other writings in it.
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