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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 12:48 AM by chinawhite
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the missile wouldn't get through the thickest bit of the armour but the shock wave from the blast would kill the crew or make them go un-consious
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 12:56 AM by Seekerof
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This may be of interest?
Has four graphic charts for angle of attack, near mid-page.
AGM-114 Hellfire
Still looking for some pentration charts, if applicable.
seekerof
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 12:57 AM by Zaphod58
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You're not SHOOTING at the thickest part of the armor. The top of a tank has some of the THINNEST armor on the entire chassis. If I put a Hellfire
at the BASE of a turret, it IS going to go through the armor. The thick part of the armor is the TURRET ITSELF not the base of it. There isn't a
tank out there that can withstand a Hellfire missile. As Seekerof stated, the Hellfire will take out any MBT built today. I don't care how much
armor you have, a shaped charge is designed to go THROUGH the armor. The plasma it generates will cut tank armor like a hot knife through butter.
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:00 AM by russiankid
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cool... how much does a hellfire missle cost???
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:12 AM by chinawhite
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
You're not SHOOTING at the thickest part of the armor. The top of a tank has some of the THINNEST armor on the entire chassis. If I put a Hellfire
at the BASE of a turret, it IS going to go through the armor. The thick part of the armor is the TURRET ITSELF not the base of it. There isn't a
tank out there that can withstand a Hellfire missile. As Seekerof stated, the Hellfire will take out any MBT built today. I don't care how much
armor you have, a shaped charge is designed to go THROUGH the armor. The plasma it generates will cut tank armor like a hot knife through butter.

is this to me.?
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:14 AM by Zaphod58
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Yes. You are the only one arguing that a Hellfire can't take out a Challenger.
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:16 AM by chinawhite
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Yes. You are the only one arguing that a Hellfire can't take out a Challenger. 
at the thickest bit of the challenger the hell fire 2 cant penerate. but anywhere else it can.
the front of the tank has the most armour wheres the rest of it has sufficienct armour to handle 20mm and 40mm rounds
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:17 AM by chinawhite
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if the challenger had armour all around that was as thick as the turrnet then it would be 200+tons and a lot bigger
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:19 AM by Zaphod58
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Somebody shoot me now please. lol
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:20 AM by chinawhite
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Somebody shoot me now please. lol 
im only going by what i read.
hellfire peneration. 1600mm
challenger armour at its thickest. 1700mm
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:25 AM by M6D
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Well on other tanks its more traditionally only the frontal glacis, for example, the abrams has been repeatedly penetrated on side armour, due to lack
off,
realistically the challenger 2 is the only MBT with good side armour protection.
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:26 AM by russiankid
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so if u get it from the top somewhere u would be able to get the chally2??
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:28 AM by Zaphod58
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Top, or even side, or in some cases even the front, depending on where you hit. But they were designed to hit the top armor, since that's the
thinnest point of armor.
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:29 AM by chinawhite
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Top, or even side, or in some cases even the front, depending on where you hit. But they were designed to hit the top armor, since that's the
thinnest point of armor. 
isn't it the engine area the thinnest bit.
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:32 AM by Zaphod58
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The rear armor is the thinnest, but if you destroy just the engine, then you aren't destroying the tank. THey pull it back, slap a new engine in, and
it's back in service. The engine will absorb most of the impact. It might not with a 105 tank gun, but it certainly will with a missile.
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:37 AM by russiankid
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so... are there helicopters behins trees in the fields where that tanks blow everything up??
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:44 AM by M6D
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Helicopters could be anywhere, but do they really need to be behind it? a hellfire well still destroy the tank, so it doesnt really make a big
diffrence overall.
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:47 AM by Zaphod58
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They usually fly an O/AH-58 Kiowa with a sensor ball on the rotors around a battlefield looking for targets (tanks, headquaters, etc). The AH-58 can
carry its own Hellfires, or they can call in an AH-64 Apache, or a group of them and they can launch Hellfires. The MMS (Mast Mounted Sensor) on the
Kiowa is a laser designator for the Hellfire, a Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR). The Kiowa is quite, and the MMS lets it stay in hiding, and stick
just the sensor up to be seen, which makes it a lot harder to see than a normal helicopter. There are two versions of the Kiowa. The OH-58, which is
unarmed and just has the MMS, and the AH-58 Kiowa Warrior, which carries the Hellfires and can take out its own targets. The OH-58 would have to call
on other aircraft to take out any targets they find.
www.aviation.army.mil...
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 01:53 AM by russiankid
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... the more u know.... not that i understand anything right now... (2 tired)
but ill probly come up with a good post tomorow...
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reply posted on 30-6-2005 @ 02:04 AM by M6D
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Well...no helo is really quite..but we knowwhat you mean
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