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Hellfire missiles

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posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 12:48 AM
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the missile wouldn't get through the thickest bit of the armour but the shock wave from the blast would kill the crew or make them go un-consious




posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 12:56 AM
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This may be of interest?
Has four graphic charts for angle of attack, near mid-page.
AGM-114 Hellfire

Still looking for some pentration charts, if applicable.





seekerof



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 12:57 AM
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You're not SHOOTING at the thickest part of the armor. The top of a tank has some of the THINNEST armor on the entire chassis. If I put a Hellfire at the BASE of a turret, it IS going to go through the armor. The thick part of the armor is the TURRET ITSELF not the base of it. There isn't a tank out there that can withstand a Hellfire missile. As Seekerof stated, the Hellfire will take out any MBT built today. I don't care how much armor you have, a shaped charge is designed to go THROUGH the armor. The plasma it generates will cut tank armor like a hot knife through butter.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:00 AM
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cool... how much does a hellfire missle cost???



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
You're not SHOOTING at the thickest part of the armor. The top of a tank has some of the THINNEST armor on the entire chassis. If I put a Hellfire at the BASE of a turret, it IS going to go through the armor. The thick part of the armor is the TURRET ITSELF not the base of it. There isn't a tank out there that can withstand a Hellfire missile. As Seekerof stated, the Hellfire will take out any MBT built today. I don't care how much armor you have, a shaped charge is designed to go THROUGH the armor. The plasma it generates will cut tank armor like a hot knife through butter.


is this to me.?



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:14 AM
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Yes. You are the only one arguing that a Hellfire can't take out a Challenger.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Yes. You are the only one arguing that a Hellfire can't take out a Challenger.


at the thickest bit of the challenger the hell fire 2 cant penerate. but anywhere else it can.

the front of the tank has the most armour wheres the rest of it has sufficienct armour to handle 20mm and 40mm rounds

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posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:17 AM
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if the challenger had armour all around that was as thick as the turrnet then it would be 200+tons and a lot bigger



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:19 AM
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Somebody shoot me now please. lol



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Somebody shoot me now please. lol


im only going by what i read.

hellfire peneration. 1600mm

challenger armour at its thickest. 1700mm


M6D

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:25 AM
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Well on other tanks its more traditionally only the frontal glacis, for example, the abrams has been repeatedly penetrated on side armour, due to lack off,
realistically the challenger 2 is the only MBT with good side armour protection.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:26 AM
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so if u get it from the top somewhere u would be able to get the chally2??



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:28 AM
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Top, or even side, or in some cases even the front, depending on where you hit. But they were designed to hit the top armor, since that's the thinnest point of armor.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Top, or even side, or in some cases even the front, depending on where you hit. But they were designed to hit the top armor, since that's the thinnest point of armor.


isn't it the engine area the thinnest bit.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:32 AM
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The rear armor is the thinnest, but if you destroy just the engine, then you aren't destroying the tank. THey pull it back, slap a new engine in, and it's back in service. The engine will absorb most of the impact. It might not with a 105 tank gun, but it certainly will with a missile.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:37 AM
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so... are there helicopters behins trees in the fields where that tanks blow everything up??


M6D

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:44 AM
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Helicopters could be anywhere, but do they really need to be behind it? a hellfire well still destroy the tank, so it doesnt really make a big diffrence overall.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:47 AM
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They usually fly an O/AH-58 Kiowa with a sensor ball on the rotors around a battlefield looking for targets (tanks, headquaters, etc). The AH-58 can carry its own Hellfires, or they can call in an AH-64 Apache, or a group of them and they can launch Hellfires. The MMS (Mast Mounted Sensor) on the Kiowa is a laser designator for the Hellfire, a Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR). The Kiowa is quite, and the MMS lets it stay in hiding, and stick just the sensor up to be seen, which makes it a lot harder to see than a normal helicopter. There are two versions of the Kiowa. The OH-58, which is unarmed and just has the MMS, and the AH-58 Kiowa Warrior, which carries the Hellfires and can take out its own targets. The OH-58 would have to call on other aircraft to take out any targets they find.


www.aviation.army.mil...



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 01:53 AM
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... the more u know.... not that i understand anything right now... (2 tired)
but ill probly come up with a good post tomorow...


M6D

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 02:04 AM
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Well...no helo is really quite..but we knowwhat you mean



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