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To Arms! To Arms A Call for all Americans! Time to overthrow the Goverment!

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posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 01:28 PM
Is there a need to reword the United States Constitution so that it will reflect and defend the actions of actions of the United States Government? Or is there a need to just do away with it altogether? Or should we overthrow the government and replace it with one that follows the will of the people. You decide.

The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

The above is from the Declaration of Independence that was written by Thomas Jefferson back in 1776 which was used to create the United States of America.
Please note the words that I have put in bold. It is these words which either needs to be re-written or that the American people need to take to heart as a call to action. It seems to me that for the past few years, if not the past few decades, the United States government has forgotten these words or they have decided that these words no longer apply to today’s world. This is not a party specific ignorance since the Democrats as well as the Republicans as well as the Supreme Court have all played their part in diluting the meaning and the spirit of the Constitution. Let’s take a look at these statements and then dissect how the US government no longer seems to hold them valid.
Notice the words that all men are created equal, our society today plainly shows that our government plays a lie to this. Review the statistics from 2000, the number of blacks that are held in US prisons. Blacks are more apt to be incarcerated and are given stiffer prison terms that a white man who commits the same or lesser crime.
Incarceration and Race

We are holding people of many races and nationalities at various bases around the world who have not been designated as a POW nor have they been convicted and in some cases even accused of a crime. Two of the “known” and most infamous of these facilities are Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and Abu Ghraib in Iraq. We are deluged on nearly an hourly basis of the various “crimes” that American Military members have been accused of as well as the “crimes” which some have been validated. This also includes one American who has been detained for nearly 3 years, but not charged with a crime his name, Jose Padilla otherwise known as the “dirty bomber” You must also include in these alleged crimes that the US government seems to have committed can also include Kidnapping, transporting of these “terror suspects” across state and national borders.
Now lets’ look at some of the LAWS and recent Supreme Court Rulings that deny our governments belief in the US Constitution;
Patriot Act 1 which was passed on October 24, 1991, this law allows our government nearly an unfettered ability to spy on any and all US citizens, legal and illegal resident aliens. The government is now allowed to place wire taps, monitor internet communications such as your email, intercept your mail and basically spy on anyone the government deigns to identify as a “person of interest”. Some of these powers are set to expire at the end of 2005 but the present administration is pushing to make these powers permanent. Not only that, the new wording of Patriot Act 2 also includes verbiage that would exclude a citizen from being able to take civil action against a government agency or a government agent for infringing on their “personal freedoms”. Note, that there is little or no need of evidence needed by the government in order to performing such spying activities. All it takes would be the “word” of a “reliable” source. If the same citizen were to perform such tasks against another, they would be detained, for any number of crimes such as, stalking, illegally tapping electronic transmissions, etc. The only difference between the citizen and the government agent, only the ‘badge of authority”. This sounds much like the old McCarthy Era and its’ “hunt to root out the commies”.
The US government has all but admitted that it had lied to the American people in order to start a war in Iraq. Falsification of data, misrepresentation of facts, in order to mislead the American people into believing that there was a direct threat to their lives and health by the Saddam Hussein government. Americans were lead to believe that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) that Saddam owned and was planning on using them not only against his neighboring countries but also against Americans or American targets. Only after 2 ½ years after the start of the war, has the government truly started to admit that the war was started due to incorrect information. It has not acknowledged the fact that there were war plans in place back in 2001. If a US citizen were to have falsified information, libeled another, again the American citizen would be arrested and held liable for their crimes.
Let us not forget the Schiavo incident where the Federal Government stepped in and over-ruled the US Supreme Court, the state of Florida courts, as well as the medical community and the rights of her husband, and ordered that the Federal district courts had to review the case, thus continue the nearly never-ending legal and now political battle of allowing Schiavo to be allowed to die. Another very good example of where the government ignores it’s own laws, the evidence presented by experts, as well as the individual rights of it’s citizens in order to flex its muscle and once again prove it is better than the people
Schiavo Timeline

Do you remember the American that I mentioned earlier who was being held as a prisoner with no charges against him for over 3 years? Jose Padilla is his name. On June 13th 2005, the Supreme Court refused to hear arguments that Padilla should be allowed to have access to lawyers or the US court system. This detention of an American citizen for such a length of time without even being charged with an offense is a direct violation of the American civil liberties, their constitutional rights as well as their right to a “fair” and speedy trial.

High court rejects enemy combatant appeal

The Supreme Court uses Constitutional law that was written to regulate interstate economic activity as a way to over-rule a states authority to govern itself and its people. On June 6th 2005, the Supreme Court ruled that the Federal Government can prosecute people who use marijuana for medical needs even if they reside in a state that allows its use for this purpose! Now here is the problem, the case that was brought before the Supreme Court was from California on the behalf of 2 women who had medical clearance to use marijuana (California is 1 of the 10 states that allow this) to grow marijuana in their backyard for their personal use. At no point in any of the findings was there an attempt to sell the drug much less than selling it to people in other states. The law with which the Supreme Court made their decision on this case is then invalid and is just another blatant attempt of the Federal government not only denying not only a citizen’s rights, but now also defying the sovereignty of the states. In the past, what the federal government has done was to use economic incentives to entice states to follow federal laws. Example, deny a state, federal money to improve its traffic system if the state would not lower the speed limit to 55 mph.

Supreme Court allows prosecution of medical marijuana

The Supreme Court ruled on June 24th 2005 that a state may seize land, homes and businesses FOR PRIVATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT! Here is a little bit of history for you, this is based off of the 5th Amendment which allows governments to take private property through eminent domain if the land is for public use. Note that it specifies public use. The reason for this ruling was in Connecticut, the state invoked eminent domain to buyout private property so that an office complex could be built. The office complex is a private venture and not governmental. The major issue with this is that it opens the door even wider so that cities, states and the federal government can now seize your property to build such things as shopping malls, parking lots, and even sports arenas.

High court OKs personal property seizures

Another recent controversial ruling, The Supreme Court ruled to protect police from legal action over enforcement. At issue here is the police cannot be held liable for NOT upholding a court’s order. This ruling came down due to a case where a woman attempted to sue the local police department for not doing enough to enforce a restraining order against her estranged husband. As a result, the husband kidnapped their 3 daughters from the front of the mother’s house after which the husband killed the girls. In a dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens, joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, said that the woman's "description of the police behavior in this case and the department's callous policy of failing to respond properly to reports of restraining order violations clearly alleges a due process violation." What does this mean to the American citizen? It means that the police department cannot be held for fault for failing to respond to court orders, 911 calls (unless they deem it to be an immediate life-threatening event) It makes you wonder why the police department still have “To Protect and to Serve” on their cars. Maybe it means they protect and serve only the government’s best interests.

Justices protect police from legal action over enforcement

The above are just a few of the most obvious cases of where the United States Federal Government as well as the Supreme Court has decided that the Constitution does not require them to abide by the will of the people. That the government is above its own laws and does not have to abide by them. That the government as well as the Supreme Court no longer protects the people. The government and it’s court system now are only guided by the almighty dollar, corporations and it’s own power.
Since this is the case, mayhap the government needs to rewrite the Constitution so as to give it a legitimacy before the American people wake up and listen to what the Constitution which states that it is not only their RIGHT but their DUTY to overthrow the present government and replace it with one that once again conforms with the will of the Constitution.
In the words of Abraham Lincoln which he delivered during his Gettysburg Address “that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

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posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 03:38 PM
Wnted to add something that I found interesting in the origional Patriot Act.

The Attorney General is authorized to waive any FTE cap on personnel assigned to the Immigration and Naturalization Service on the Northern border.
There are authorized to be appropriated--
(1) such sums as may be necessary to triple the number of Border Patrol personnel (from the number authorized under current law), and the necessary personnel and facilities to support such personnel, in each State along the Northern Border;
(2) such sums as may be necessary to triple the number of Customs Service personnel (from the number authorized under current law), and the necessary personnel and facilities to support such personnel, at ports of entry in each State along the Northern Border;
(3) such sums as may be necessary to triple the number of INS inspectors (from the number authorized on the date of the enactment of this Act), and the necessary personnel and facilities to support such personnel, at ports of entry in each State along the Northern Border; and
(4) an additional $50,000,000 each to the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the United States Customs Service for purposes of making improvements in technology for monitoring the Northern Border and acquiring additional equipment at the Northern Border.

The problem? There is no reciprocating call to ensure that the Southern Border has adequeate manning to protect infiltration from the south.
Yes, the 9/11 terrorist did come through from Canada but the numbers of crossings (illegal) from the southern border far exceeds those that enter from the North.
How can the goverment state that they are protecting the US citizen when the only put a bandaid on a small problem, while allowing the flood that is flowing through the broken dam? Makes a lot of sense when you put into context of the goverment protecting its own interests as well as those of the corporations.
HR 3162 RDS

posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 03:45 PM
Hey kenshiro be careful what you ask for, you may be target an "enemy of the state" we don't want to see you posting for Giztmo.

The way things are right now you probably have some "men in black" hanging around on your bushes.

posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 04:05 PM
You'd never guess what my occupation would be :

Let's just say that I am in the Internet Security buisness

I;d a be a watchin waiting for the black ops guys and gals to show LOL

posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 06:58 PM
I always wonder why administrations try to undermine the constitution at any chance the get, funny that in every past and present administration is always the pursue of ways to that.

Perhaps the reason is because the constitution is there to make sure that the People is protected from the government that “We the people elect”

The why the same politicians that we elect tried so hard to manipulated and over step the constitution.

One of the best examples like you just point out is the patriot act, never before we has seen an administration so intent of robbing “We the people” from our civil liberties.

I wonder if one they one administration will have the public so under their thump that they may just get away with it.

BTW hey can you help me keep more secure in the internet from . . . the RIA

posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 12:32 AM
My knee-jerk reaction is enforce laws already on the books.

Literally hold elected officials responsible for the votes they cast.

If the numbers are on your side, armed insurrection is not needed.

They will bend to popular will.

First and foremost they are whores at the trough.

If they feel threatened, they will correct course or vanish from our view.

The most important thing, is if you feel passionate about something, disseminate your view and proceed accordingly.

In most cases, if you are on the side of right, you will prevail. Thus the Republic will stand.

posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 12:33 AM
Having said all that...

If that approach doesn't get their attention, go Anakin on their a$$.

posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 09:58 AM
As another example of our goverment abusing it's authority, Today, RANT created a thread which discusses how the Republicans are attempting to stymie Soros, who is a Democratic supporter, from becoming a minority owner of the Washington Nationals. The Nationals for those of you who may not be familiar with them, is a new baseball team that will call Washington DC their home.

The Republicans have even gone so far as to say:

An even nastier abuse came from Rep. John Sweeney (R-N.Y.), who actually suggested baseball's antitrust exemption might be in trouble on the Hill if MLB let Soros have the Nats

Which is a blatant attempt to misuse the laws of this land so that those in power can consolidate and build up their powerbase.
Here is a link to RANT's thread. A very interesting take on how this is all falling out.

posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 12:01 PM
The Republican party (which I am a member of
) has become downright vicious. I'm sick of it.

posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 09:25 AM
Dear all,

I guess the time has come not just in the US but here in the UK as well to change the right to vote.

Too many people who are too stupid to understand the TV guide, never mind the complex issues in the world today, are allowed to vote.

In the past universal suffrage was ok when the worst that could happen is your could help in screwing your own country.

That is not the case now.

The complaint from both sides is that the media has too much influence on elections. Only with stupid and ill-informed people.

What I propose is a test that must be passed before one is allowed to get a licence to vote. This licence must be renewed every 3 years. Only those who pass the test can vote. Those who fail must wait 3 years to try again.

We can extend this further if you like. Also have a test to run for office. You don't pass the test you cannot run for office this time around. You can try again in 3 years.

Voting is a big responsibility and should be taken away from those who are not up to the task.



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 09:01 PM
Altho I feel what you're saying BillHicks, you cannot take something away from someone if they refuse to exercise it in the first place.

Who knows though, if people saw it in that light, maybe they'd vote more.

On another note, I have never in my life seen so many people come out to vote than in the 2004 election. It was unprecedented. That only bolsters my belief that BushCo. stole the election again. I assure you, all those extra bodies were not there to re-(s)elect Bush.

The companies who own and operate the voting machines are all big Bush backers. That played a huge part in this travesty (by flipping numbers in key areas through software manipulation).

I say this as one who never voted for a Democrat in my life until that cold Novemeber day.

posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 05:46 PM
Thanks to yadboy for bringing the following up on his thread

WAR: U.S. to use troops for domestic security

The issue is the new War plans that have been drawn up whci outlines the use of not only military aircraft but also the deployment and use of active duty US military ground forces on US soil! These plans reportedly outline that if / when ground forces are deployed how the military will "assist" local law enforcement. Such situations, if they arise would only be "temporary" and controls would eventually be turned back over to the local goverments and law enforcement.
My problem with this is that the dowcuments (at least from the information that has been released) does not outline exactly would trigger the use of ground-forces, what actions they would be allowed to take "to help" (remember Kent State back on May 4th 1970?). How long would this assistance take before the local law enforcement are allowed to resume control, a week, a month 1 year, 3 years?
This could well be a giant step to legitimizing Martial Law!

posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 06:05 PM
Ken, believe it or not it would take very little for the American people to get behind something like this, but their minds aren't in it properly at the moment.

I don't think we'll last my lifetime for a number of reasons and could have a number of various reason for our ultimate failure.

posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 06:26 PM
Unfortunately I am of the belief that this situation has long been in the works.
The American people have been "institutionalized" in the truest sense of the word to just accept what the goverment dishes out.
Here is another thread that i would like to reference that illustrates this
Public Education's "Hidden Curriculum

posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 08:26 PM
As a Briton i think your constitutional rights ,laid down by the signing of the American declaration of Independence has gone. Your Government sees this as something you had 200 years ago. Now your dealing with people making money out of the average American and having to support this regime with your tax dollars. Cant you see how America is in the hands of big business and doesn't care about your freedom anymore.

posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 10:09 PM
America's screwed, basically.

We have been anesthatized and desensitized, hopped up and drugged out. Thanks to the miracle of television and rapid transport, our nation has become a slave to the god Materializm. Consumerizm! That is our social construct. Our reason to live. To make the fat cats happy while we spend and indulge in every stupid unecessary widget that comes down the Sam Walton Pike.

We've become too fat and happy to be effective watchers of liberty. We have all been compromised by our easy, comfortable lifestyles.

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posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 11:42 AM
We are in total agreement on this.
We have to clean our house before we can say with a straight face that we are the beacon light of liberty.
We are a consumer nation that only looks to increase our creature comforts instead of being a nation of the free we are allowing ourselves to be duped into being a nation of the enslaved.
Enslaved by by not only our goverment but also the corporations that they support.

posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 11:29 AM
To ensure that the power and money stays firmly with politicians and corporations, the Supreme Court in all of their wisdom, today have decided not revisit the eminent domain case that earlier this year that gave the local / federal goverment the right to take your land if it will benefit a corporation.
The Supreme Court did not make any comments at this time as to why they are refusing to review this case which has garnered them such critizism over the last few months.

The Supreme Court, given a chance to revisit a heavily criticized ruling, refused Monday to reconsider its decision giving local governments more power to seize people's homes for economic development.

Just another example to demonstrate that the American goverment is no longer "For the people, or the people", it is now a goverment "for the powerful, of the powerful".

posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 11:53 AM
Overthrow the gov't? Ok, lets say we do, then what? What exactly would you propose we replace it with? I am not overly thrilled with the current administration but I also do not see any better alternatives on the horizon. Is there an answer that is just eluding me? We need to use democracy and simply vote out or in who we think is best. Remember, many of us, even those that now regret it, voted the administration in. In addition, it was a vote and they won (Please, spare me the statements that it was rigged). If we impeach Bush now that leaves us the first runner up and I really do not see how that is much better. Seems to me we have to get congress to turn the tide. Just a thought.

posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:09 PM
How about a true democracy? We do not have that today. At best, the US Goverment can be considered a Republic and at the worst, a Tyranny or a Dictatorship.
We do actually have a voice in who sits in the White House. We do not have a voice when it comes to selecting those who make or interpet the laws.

At this time, the American people have virtually no voice in thier future. By Constitutional Law, If the goverment oppresses it's people, If the Goverment no longer represents it's people, then it is the duty of the people to overthrow the goverment and replace it with one that does represent the people.

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