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Popular Subliminal Christian Symbols

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posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 08:06 AM
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Anyone in America no doubt has seen a high percentage of vehicles with this bumper sticker. Here in DC, from my own account, it's 1 in 5 with either this varient:




or this one:




There are three major Christian symbols. The cross, the crucifix, and the fish (ichthus).



'Mark 1:17: "Come after Me, and I will make you become fishers of men." '

It dawned on me one day that the support ribbons are exact replicas of the Ichthus symbol, just turned 90 degrees north.

This image kind of represents the message:



Holy nation, holy war, Christ, our nation, and our troops are one.




posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 09:27 AM
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Slightly off topic, but actually the Ichthus symbol is NOT christian in origin but rather Pagan. You will find that MOST catholic symbols, beliefs, and "stories", were adapted from pre-existing belief systems and tailored to fit the Christendom Propaganda.

And BTW, is that really "subliminal"? I thought the ribbon/fish, was kinda obvious. Didn't you?


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Peace


[edit on 28-6-2005 by Serum39]



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 09:35 AM
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These things are everywhere. Many cars down here have more than one.

Serum39: it was more on the subliminal side to me - I just thought they were annoying and never really saw the fish in them until pointed out to me.

To add to the observation, very few are now placed upright on the backs of cars. They seem to be placed at an angle or sideways more often than not.

The Pagan tie-in is interesting though. The number of things Christians use from old Pagan religions is amusing as they blissfully celebrate how evil everyone else is. Merry Christmas.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 10:09 AM
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I guess because i'm SO INTO symbolism something like that jumps out at me. I guess I can see it to be subliminal to the casual observer.

Anyhow, your so right about how amusing it is to see christians worship/use symbols that are Pagan. And christmas....HAHAHAHAH
if they only knew!

It's one of the arguements I bring up when being "preached" to by the "believers". 98% of these people are so uneducated in there own belief system. Talk about blindfaith!! Tell them it was originally a pagan symbol and they are sent into a state of denial... and then sit back and watch them try to rationalize it all... it never gets old to me. Too funny.

If you want some extra giggles, ask them to explain their view on life and abortion and then.................. the inqusition. hehehehe

Oh BTW- here is something "subliminal" I noticed that may or may not mean anything...... Politicians on TV. Notice the pin they are wearing on their left breast? It's an american flag. Ok, now notice almost EVERYONE wheres the pin so the flag is tilted downward. Seriously, next time you watch TV and see this... doesnt it seem to remind you of the Mason symbol of the square and compass? Look at it and suspend the fact that you know its a flag for a second...

I wonder why they all where the pin with the flag pointing down.

Peace



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Serum39
Slightly off topic, but actually the Ichthus symbol is NOT christian in origin but rather Pagan. You will find that MOST catholic symbols

The fish symbol is a more recent symbol, not a catholic one. Infact I suspect that it tended to first appear with quite non-catholic christians. Supposedly its a revival of the original symbol for christianity, the fish. Before the cross was popular, the fish was used, because 'christos' or somesuch is very similar to a greek word for 'fish'.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 11:45 AM
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If legidmate, you may have the right to bash Christain beliefs. However, your evidence to whether these are subliminal messages is pathetic. Trust me, if people were sending you these sort of message you wouldn't be able to recognize it. In fact, you criticize the Christain faith, when in reality everyone is doing it. Thus, says alot. Perhaps my foolish little friend, that you may have been sent these supposed messages to influence you to diminish the creditablity of the Christain and Catholic faiths. Being a Catholic, these symbols which you showed are only of my neighbours slithly skewwed version of Catholism, but say I posted, whatever this message system is called, about the sublimidal messages in the Jewish faith, or the Buddist faith, and we'll see how much controversy that would stir. Not only controversy within others, but in yourself. And then, well see who has been influenced by this alterior powers. You people are so naive. The truth is always the last place you look, and the most unpopular belief.

- Paige



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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Pagan symbol? where did you get that from?

the fish was a secret symbol the christians used when the catholics baned bible reading, and killed anyone using it! the bible reading christians would meet up in secret, and there only way of telling if someone was a "secret" christian was to draw this fish outline, if the person in question was a "secret" christian, they would put a dot where the fishes eye would be.

As for christmas being pagan
it is the x-mas tree and the decorations that are pagan, not the celebration!



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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Pagan symbol? where did you get that from?

the fish was a secret symbol the christians used when the catholics baned bible reading, and killed anyone using it! the bible reading christians would meet up in secret, and there only way of telling if someone was a "secret" christian was to draw this fish outline, if the person in question was a "secret" christian, they would put a dot where the fishes eye would be.

As for christmas being pagan
it is the x-mas tree and the decorations that are pagan, not the celebration!



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 12:31 PM
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The papal hat is also an upside down fish. I'm trying to find a pic to show you. If I can I'll post it.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by carpediem
As for christmas being pagan
it is the x-mas tree and the decorations that are pagan, not the celebration!


Just the date of Dec 25th, the tree, the decorations, the gathering for a festival-like atmosphere, the focus on food.... It's all about Jesus



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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the ribbons don't look anything like the fish, even when turned
sideways. The fish all have a pointy end, the ribbons are rounded.
They aren't even close.
This reminds me of people who 'see'
the Virgin Mary in window panes and floor tiles.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by paige1206
If legidmate, you may have the right to bash Christain beliefs.


If? Why say if? You mean you don’t know? If your unsure please go read up on some ancient civilizations ie Sumerians, Mesopotamians etc...



However, your evidence to whether these are subliminal messages is pathetic.


What evidence? Are you responding to me or the person who posted the ribbon pictures? If your referring to my link as evidence, then no, OF COARSE I didn’t present good evidence. I wasn’t trying to. It was just a quick little link to supplement my comment on the origin of the fish symbol. Believe me, I come from a family of lawyers, if i was trying to provide hard evidence I would have done so. It wasn’t the topic of the thread, nor was i intending to make THAT an issue...



Trust me, if people were sending you these sort of message you wouldn't be able to recognize it.


Gee, ya think? Hence subliminal. That’s why I believed it WASNT a subliminal symbol. It's just a symbol with a duel meaning... sheesh



In fact, you criticize the Christain faith, when in reality everyone is doing it.


Umm... doing what? What the heck are you talking about?



Thus, says a lot. Perhaps my foolish little friend, that you may have been sent these supposed messages to influence you to diminish the creditability of the Christian and Catholic faiths.


What does "THUS" say then? Foolish huh? I am in no way trying to diminish the credibility of ANY religion. Religion serves a purpose, sometimes a detrimental one (were the persons who flew the planes into the WTC religious...umm... YESSSSS!!), but it DOES serve a purpose. Some people NEED to have answers handed to them because its much easier than actually "doing the work". I was born and raised Catholic, and my problem was that I was being TOLD what to believe, given answers to question i had not yet asked and on someone else’s terms. If "GOD" truly is what the Catholics say he is, then he will forgive me for wanting to experience life and come to religion "on my own terms". I believe in ONE, whatever that may end up being. Believe what you will, it is your life to experience... at least I respect that right of yours.



Being a Catholic, these symbols which you showed are only of my neighbours slithly skewwed version of Catholism, but say I posted, whatever this message system is called, about the sublimidal messages in the Jewish faith, or the Buddist faith, and we'll see how much controversy that would stir. Not only controversy within others, but in yourself. And then, well see who has been influenced by this alterior powers. You people are so naive. The truth is always the last place you look, and the most unpopular belief.


Again, what the heck are you talking about? Could you please put that into complete sentences if you dont mind- i'm sure there is something tangible in there, just cant find it.... Oh, and I didn’t "SHOWED" any symbols, that was the person who started the thread.

We people are so naive huh? Well, maybe we naives are yet to be as "enlightened" as you. And if your post represents someone who knows the truth" and is so much more enlightened... well then I fine right where i am.

Paige, the bottom-line is it shouldn’t matter what you, I, or anyone believe as long as it works for them and it gives them the inner peace they need to get through the day. Sure I poked fun at Christians for not knowing the true origins of certain symbols and blindly accepting EVERYTHING under the umbrella of said religion. There so many different ideas and perceptions out there- I chose to explore them all- so what. If I offended you then I apologize. Why care what a NAIVE person such as myself has to say- anyway right? I grew up with religion and decided THAT version didnt feel right for me. I have been on both sides... I hope you have too.

I apologize for this post becoming WAY-OFF topic, it was not my intention.

Peace


[edit on 28-6-2005 by Serum39]



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 01:55 PM
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See how it resembels a fish with an open mouth.

Easter... Ishtar... Astarte... Ashtoreth... and even Freya (where we get the
name for Friday)... "Holy Mackeral!" -- as in Fish on Friday (a lousy joke)... are all related...

Did you know that a single cod fish annually spawns upwards of 9,000,000 eggs; the flounder, 1,000,000; the sturgeon, 700,000; the perch, 400,000; the MACKERAL, 500,000 ?? Fish is one of the favorite symbols associated with ancient fertility rites.

Many historical events with their associated traditions and customs first originated in Babylon and are performed today. This is the reason we even find modern clerics and members of liturgical churches starting with the Pope in Rome... wearing vestments not remotely characteristic of any style of clothing worn by the first century disciples -- the students and learners of Christ. Some of these liturgical vestments... beginning with the practice of priests wearing that unusual looking hat or mitre shaped like a fish head... can be traced back to the old Babylonish Feast of Tammuz... which lasted 40 days in Spring (in recent centuries, some folks call it the Season of Lent).



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 03:14 PM
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The bring up an interesting point with the historicity, although I only credit credit Babylon as the second and smaller contribution to rituals etc.


Originally posted by MauiStaceyMany historical events with their associated traditions and customs first originated in Babylon and are performed today. This is the reason we even find modern clerics and members of liturgical churches starting with the Pope in Rome... wearing vestments not remotely characteristic of any style of clothing worn by the first century disciples -- the students and learners of Christ. Some of these liturgical vestments... beginning with the practice of priests
The vestments angle is what I would like to pick up on and back track to the other symbology.


It is not a coloured rendering but the above image will do for noting the apparel worn by Tutankhamun, the breastplate; kilt and apron like sash.

The next image is taken from a coptic church, note the vestments adorning Jesus:

A careful look at the positioning of Jesus in this image will reveal the earliest Christian origins of the symbology used today and how it relates to religious symbology. The coptic church of Egypt was the first established of Christianity, and therefore is no surprise that the religious iconography of Jesus would have been copied from ancient sources. In fact, the backgroud symbology, or the crux ansata most definitely found its origin with this:www.touregypt.net..." target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>

The top of the ankh resembles a stretched shen ring, the symbol for eternity, a picture of which I could not find on its own to provide but can be found here 13th symbol down: members.aol.com...

While yet another Egyptian hieroglyph; sa, meaning protection bears a more common likeness to the ichthys, and can be found in the 35th spot of the same link as the shen.





[edit on 6/28/05 by SomewhereinBetween]



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 09:34 PM
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Yanno what Somewhere, that symbol at the bottom of your post looks more like the ribbon than the fish. Good job



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 02:05 AM
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Or how about this......

The human body is a ''PAGAN SYMBOL''........it resembles ''The Sign of the CROSS''....!
Or when MOSES with outstreched hands toward the heavens ,worshipped God .This was a pre-figuratation of ' the sign of the Cross'.
What do we do now?
Sue God !

You people do not know anything about Christianity and find all ways to BASH Christianity and anything derived from it!

It's a Joke how this POST started off as ''Popular Subliminal Christian Symbols''and then it went to pagan rituals and pagan symbols and pagan what have you!

At least Pagans worship something!
They dont worship themselves!
They dont STray from what they worship....be it something that is not acceptable to ME.
As for those that want to bash Christianity and try to find all sorts of STUPID ways of what seems to be INTELLIGENCE from ones own feeble mind is purely idiotic.

CHRISTOS......actually means Jesus the Christ. It's a Greek word, Christos, and stems from the verb Chrio, which means to anoint.
The Hebrew equivalent is Messiah, literally, "the anointed one." In the Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament, a king of Israel was chosen by God through the symbol of anointing with oil........ It signified the richness of the blessing of God. That king exercised authority under God.....
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, but ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him" (I John 2:27)

Christian Symbols ........yes there are many symbols......Even Christ Himself used SYMBOLS!
I am the bread of life Jn. 6.35-59

I am the light of the world Jn. 8.12; 9.5; 12.35-36

I am the door Jn. 10.7-10

I am the good shepherd Jn. 10.11-18

I am the resurrection and the life Jn. 11.25

I am the way, the truth and the life Jn. 14.6

I am the true vine Jn. 15.1-11
I am the Alpha and the Omega Rev. 1.8; 1.17-18; 21.6; 22.13

I am the root and the offspring of David,
the bright morning star Rev. 22.16
ARE ALL forms of symbols!
here's a few others.......
Maths.....
Music ...
Sign language......to name a few.

The word...ICTHUS.....
"Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior", spell the Greek word for fish ......therefore it is a symbol.....
The Dove
symbol for the Holy Spirit. Mark 1:10.
Censer
Symbol of prayer. As incense smoke wafts upward so prayer ascends before God (Revelation 8:4 and Psalm 141:2).
The IHS
are the first three letters (iota, eta, sigma) of the Greek spelling of Jesus. Ancient form.
Exodus. 3.14
“I am that I am”,
and
the second response was Exodus. 3.15
The Lord God of your fathers.

www.acns.com...


I dont see any Demon heads or faces POPPING out of these SYmbols !

IX
«Εγώ ειμί η οδός και η αλήθεια και η ζωή» (Ιωάν. ιδ΄6).
helen





www.intratext.com...



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 06:51 AM
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I think the ribbon (especially on it's side) has an appeal to Christians because of the similarity so it is intentionally put that way. I don't believe Christianity should have any part of sibliminality (new word I made up), integration, or other means of deception. Make a ribbon stand as it is to represent, leave the fish be as to what it's supposed to represent. Playing stupid mind-games is a waste of time and makes the paranoid reason to be so. I love you fellow Christians, just be candid please.

By the way, if you want a sibliminal symbol, check out the side of the podium of the 'religious leader' in the Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy movie. The person I was with said "I didn't even notice", but I seem to notice these things every time. I liked the movie, but why do they have to force this kind of bashing in? The implication appears to relay Catholic church having a hidden motivation. I'm not Catholic, but know that discussion belongs here, not in a movie comedy.

Let's be obvious shall we? Christians wear your cross, Satanists wear your inverted pentagram. It's a lot better than walking around looking the same and living in fear of each other.

Pray, train, study,
God bless.

[edit on 30-6-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 11:09 AM
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the sig that MauiStacey uses:

Men are like slinkies...not good for much but you can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs =0)


Ouch! that hurt me twice - once from the imagery and once from laughing so hard. good thing I was not near any stairs since there was no woman to see me if I fell.

Question: if a man falls down the stairs and there is no woman around to enjoy it, is it still amusing?



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Al Davison

Question: if a man falls down the stairs and there is no woman around to enjoy it, is it still amusing?


LMAO Yes! and if a man yells in the forrest and no one can hear him, he is still wrong LOL



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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You all realize that the ribbon symbol was not made popular for Christian stickers right? I believe the first ribbons like thos were for Aids support and Breast Cancer support, then everyone jumped on the bandwagon. I saw one a little while ago saying "I support beer"







 
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