I have never found any evidence of 'real' vampires either. There are variations on this idea, as has already been discussed, but as far as I can tell that is about it.

Blood is of course the very essence of life, so the idea that something could be gained via the drinking of blood is an idea that has been around a long time.

I do happen to have a book on this subject, not because I was interested in it, but because I am in it. Or more accurately, a story about a fantasy version of me is in it. It is not a very good book, at least I know that 90% of the stuff about me is totally untrue. The authors never even tried to contact me before they published it.

But it does look at a number of different styles of modern day Vamps if that is of any interest:

Something in the Blood
'The underground world of today's vampires'
by Jeff Guinn and Andy Grieser

If you happen to read it my human name is Christopher Darque, that should make it easy to identify which story I am talking about.



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Originally posted by Alexander Tau
I have never found any evidence of 'real' vampires either. There are variations on this idea, as has already been discussed, but as far as I can tell that is about it.

Blood is of course the very essence of life, so the idea that something could be gained via the drinking of blood is an idea that has been around a long time.

I do happen to have a book on this subject, not because I was interested in it, but because I am in it. Or more accurately, a story about a fantasy version of me is in it. It is not a very good book, at least I know that 90% of the stuff about me is totally untrue. The authors never even tried to contact me before they published it.

But it does look at a number of different styles of modern day Vamps if that is of any interest:

Something in the Blood
'The underground world of today's vampires'
by Jeff Guinn and Andy Grieser

If you happen to read it my human name is Christopher Darque, that should make it easy to identify which story I am talking about.



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Care to explain the story behind you being in this book?

It is an odd story. Most people are probably aware by now that I have been involved in metaphysics for quite some time. I also used to sing lead for a couple of rock bands. I met Christine at the end of my rock and roll phase.

One night I met this girl at my favorite bar hangout, I was there so much I had my own table. She came up, introduced herself and sat down. We talked for an hour or so and then she invited me back to her place. We spent a couple of nice, but for me anyway, rather average hours together and then I went home.

I saw her the next day (middle of the afternoon which kinda shoots the whole vampire thing) and realized pretty quickly that there was no future in seeing her again. We just had nothing in common and existed in different worlds to say the least.

That should have been the end to it, right after that I got involved in a relationship that lasted 13 years and got out of the one night stand business entirely. But it was not the end, it was only the beginning of a very long drama. My friends started to report that she was showing up looking for me (she had my number but claimed she did not). She made a friend that was looking for someone like me (the MetaTeacher, not the vampire) and brought him over. We hit it off and within a short time he was living with me as a Student.

This little event was the start of the Stalking phase. For a couple of years thereafter she would call when she knew my girlfriend was at work (knew because she cruised the parking lot where she worked, and yes by this time I was a little worried about what might happen) and I kept her at bay with small talk and short conversations.

Along the way she had decided that I was a vampire, and began this whole wierd lifestyle that included sleeping in a coffin (and no I am not kidding, the pics in the book are quite real). When she arrived with the guy who was to become my Student she walked in with Fangs! Attached by a Dentist, and quite impressive if you are into that sort of thing. I am sure I disappointed her by not being happy about the fangs, but such is life.

Then all of a sudden it just ended. She made a final play to separate my girlfriend from me (it failed but caused a lot of heartache on both sides) and that was the end of it, or so I thought.

When the book came out I heard about it rather quickly, it has the names of a half-dozen of my friends in it and they all wanted to know what was written about them. When I finally read it I came away with mixed emotions. Granted most of it is untrue, but it was not as bad as it could have been. One of my friends threatned to sue if she had made him my 'bug eating Reinfield', but I told him that job went to someone else and she had not made any 'bug eating' references.

On a happy note, I did see Christine not that long ago. She walked up and said hello at a movie one day. I chatted with her without asking her name because I am somewhat used to people I do not really know knowing me. In that sort of case it is not nice to admit you do not know who they are. She told me she was married with a couple of kids and was happy. I said that was nice to hear and we parted. It was only about 30 minutes later that it finally clicked with me who she was! She must have had the fangs removed because she no longer has them.

I think what happened was a combination of a couple of things. She had a dull life and wanted to be special, being the 'victim' of a vampire made her special and she ran with it. She also had no understanding at all of metaphysics so she assumed that when I mentioned it I was talking about big 'spooky' stuff that goes along with vampires, black cats, and the boogyman. I think some of the little psi stuff I sometimes do without thinking probably got her wondering about me.

90% of her story is untrue, a couple of the events did happen but not at all as she described them. But I think it does show how people can be attracted to the 'lifestyle' for reasons that are pretty average even if the results are anything but.


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Originally posted by Whompa1

Its tough to explain honestly. At one point I came home and found blood all over my bathroom sink that was not there when I left for work. I am extremely anal about my bathroom being clean. I live by myself so its not my blood. Really quite strange. <--Thats the one thing that I can explain straight away. Very interesting story alexander, I'll have to see if I can find the book.

OK, so you found some unexplained blood. But what made you "conclude Vampirism"? (I know you didn't assume anything or came to any conclusions - did you? - but something made you think Vampirism? Of all the possible "explanations" you decided that it might be a Vampire?)

BTW I'm not attacking you - as you feared - just enquiring, as you can expect more...

Its not just the blood its a whole bunch of other things thrown in together that makes me wonder. I've awoken several times with interesting marks that look like what you seen in the movies on various parts of my body. Forearm and calf seem to be the area of choice. That coupled with the unexplained blood made we wonder about vamps.

I'm sorry, but I never seen the info I posted, in any movie, and I don't "role play".
It was read from a book called Sacred Bloodlines.

Originally posted by Selective_ID
I'm sorry, but I never seen the info I posted, in any movie, and I don't "role play".
It was read from a book called Sacred Bloodlines.

huh?

Originally posted by Selective_ID
I'm sorry, but I never seen the info I posted, in any movie, and I don't "role play".
It was read from a book called Sacred Bloodlines.

Oh, seriously? Holy lawsuit, batman.

Didn't mean to rag on you, Selective. It's just that there are plenty of vampire wannabe's who claim that the story put forward by V:tM is completely true, rather than a work of fiction.

Originally posted by Jeremiah25

You will find a few in New York, Germany, France, Britain. none left in Romania. they are moving to big cities. More young blood. best (worst) ones are in Slovakia.

What do you base this declaration on? Do you have any proof or evidence that you can show us to support this claim?

well Jeremiah25,

sometimes some have info others do not. I knew of the ones in NY, some have been in Texas, a large number in L.A. , well that person was wrong abought none left in romania cause there is some still there, there are some even in egypt, there are some in france as already said britain as well there are a few almost in every state.

sometimes some have info others do not

Okay, fair enough. But stating that you are personally aware of the genuine existence of vampires is an enormously big claim. You must admit that there have been occassions in the past where people have knowingly decieved others by making fantastic claims that turned out to be fabrications.

I am not saying that you are lying, but you have made an incredible claim. Perhaps you could obtain some tangible evidence to support your claim? Photographs or skin samples of the vampires you say you know of? Perhaps video of them doing something vampire-y (exhibiting any kind of supernatural abilities, for example). You've got to admit that it can be very frustrating when somebody states categorically that they have the answers that the rest of us are searching for but, for some reason or another, cannot or will not provide any evidence of their claims.

So how about some evidence?

Originally posted by Jeremiah25

sometimes some have info others do not

Okay, fair enough. But stating that you are personally aware of the genuine existence of vampires is an enormously big claim. You must admit that there have been occassions in the past where people have knowingly decieved others by making fantastic claims that turned out to be fabrications.

I am not saying that you are lying, but you have made an incredible claim. Perhaps you could obtain some tangible evidence to support your claim? Photographs or skin samples of the vampires you say you know of? Perhaps video of them doing something vampire-y (exhibiting any kind of supernatural abilities, for example). You've got to admit that it can be very frustrating when somebody states categorically that they have the answers that the rest of us are searching for but, for some reason or another, cannot or will not provide any evidence of their claims.

So how about some evidence?

why must I prove myself to you? that is the question what I know I know cause I'm aware and have seen them, perhaps even did you consider I might be friends with them?, I wouldn't betray my friends by doing things they aren't comfortable with. I'm one who has been aware of so many things since I was a very young age. I'm the type of person who for lack of a better word never succumbed to the teachings of witches & spirits all being bad 100%. I always knew the truth thats why I have the respect of my friends cause I know and see and never doubt cause I see the world as it truly is not the world many see through "rose colored" glasses. I don't judge my friends nor do they judge me. You'd be surprised how many really are not what you see them as, for example you see a guy dressed in a business suit right, ok thats what you see but that person might just be hiding something you are unaware of. you'd never see a vamp in public cause they blend in the ones I'm friends with don't dress "goth" or act goth. There is a saying that a mini series use to use I'll quote it "we are all around you" . I'll leave you with that thought. oh and by the way I never give proof cause I need never prove myself to anyone, cause there are some on here who know & understand as I do. you'd never guess who they might be behind their screens.

why must I prove myself to you?

For two reasons: Firstly, because you have made significant claims as facts on a forum that attempts to "deny ignorance". You don't have to prove anything, but the moment that you state "I know vampires personally" there is a reasonable expectation for you to back up your claims. Perhaps on another site there would be no such expectation, but ATS is all about revealing the truth. There is, therefore, a burden of proof upon you as the person who made the claim on this of all sites.

The second reason is simply to deny ignorance. At the moment, I am ignorant of the truth concerning vampires. You have made a claim that you are not. Therefore, in the spirit of denying ignorance, should you not at least explain to me what it is you know and how you know it? You don't have to betray your friends - ask them if they would agree to being viedotaped or interviewed.

Like you, I also have a very open mind concerning paranormal issues. I would greatly desire to see firsthand evidence of the existence of vampires. You said that you never give proof because you need not prove yourself to anyone but yourself. My question then is why you came onto ATS, a forum of those seeking the truth, seeking evidence, and made such a fantastic claim if you have no desire to offer proof of your claims? Why say anything at all, if you don't have to prove it to anybody but yourself?

Again I say: you are the one who made the claim, so there is a legitimate expectation for you to provide the burden of proof. Deny ignorance, MisticDragon.

Originally posted by Jeremiah25

why must I prove myself to you?

For two reasons: Firstly, because you have made significant claims as facts on a forum that attempts to "deny ignorance". You don't have to prove anything, but the moment that you state "I know vampires personally" there is a reasonable expectation for you to back up your claims. Perhaps on another site there would be no such expectation, but ATS is all about revealing the truth. There is, therefore, a burden of proof upon you as the person who made the claim on this of all sites.

The second reason is simply to deny ignorance. At the moment, I am ignorant of the truth concerning vampires. You have made a claim that you are not. Therefore, in the spirit of denying ignorance, should you not at least explain to me what it is you know and how you know it? You don't have to betray your friends - ask them if they would agree to being viedotaped or interviewed.

Like you, I also have a very open mind concerning paranormal issues. I would greatly desire to see firsthand evidence of the existence of vampires. You said that you never give proof because you need not prove yourself to anyone but yourself. My question then is why you came onto ATS, a forum of those seeking the truth, seeking evidence, and made such a fantastic claim if you have no desire to offer proof of your claims? Why say anything at all, if you don't have to prove it to anybody but yourself?

Again I say: you are the one who made the claim, so there is a legitimate expectation for you to provide the burden of proof. Deny ignorance, MisticDragon.

So Jeremiah25,

You seek to challenge my claims? I started out originally helping whomp,
I don't see why you'd want me to videotape them, what would that show you ? as I said you'd never guess who is one and who is not, for all you know your neighbors or your friends could be vamps. you'd be surprised how many business are run by vamps & freemasons. Even an alcholic drink company has been newly aquired by a vamp. I know your next question is how do I know this? cause the label was changed after the company was bought, and then used in a vamp movie, its almost obvious. some vamps have unlimitless funds, some live outside the united states but have various business ventures within the united states. oh and if they did something "local law enforcement" doesn't like tough.. some have diplomatic immunity and can't be held for any reason. and now I'm just watching certain posts on here to see what others have to say, I only respond when I want to interject something into a conversation. I don't videotape anyone cause its sort of rude, nor do even stars like cameras in their faces, hell even at weddings I've been at I don't like cameras in my face. I just state sort of what is already been known for a while now, some are aware of that they do exist they are real. yes some kids roleplay stuff but the real is something no one reports on cause some are high profile and have clauses in place so their personal life is never talked of at all others are open about it. I just wanted whomp to know he was right , and that he isn't crazy.

My, this is interesting.

Ok, how about we try it this way MisticDragon, could you define exactly what you mean by 'Vampire'. Are we talking people with a funky blood disease, people who simply choose to be vamps, or something else?

You said you wanted to help Wompa, but to do that you need to provide information about what you know. How do they live, what is different about them compared to normal humans, that sort of thing.

As long as you do not give out names, or locations, this is no way threatens your friends.


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You seek to challenge my claims?

Not at all. As I said, I am ignorant regarding these matters. I merely wish to educate myself. Once again I defer to the superior wisdom of Alexander Tau and admit that my method was accomplishing nothing. To make amends, I would like to submit to you the following questions, asked in complete earnest and designed so that we may learn more about vampires without you having to potentially affect your friendships.

1) What, if any, physical characteristics do these vampires share with the 'traditional' vampire portrayed in movies and Ann Rice novels (e.g. Are they immortal? Do they actually drink blood? Do they combust in flame if they are caught in the sunlight? Can they get sick?)

2) Do they possess any of the paranormal powers and abilities typically attributed to vampires (super strength/speed, telepathy, flight, telekinesis, shape-shifting, etc)?

3) Do they have a social structure? Do they have, for instance, families, or clans, or some other form of kinship?

4) How do they view humans - what is their attitude towards humanity in general?

5) How would one go about meeting a vampire? You said they blend in - is there any way at all to distinguish one from a normal human by sight?

6) How many exist worldwide? Do they live mostly in major cities?

7) Why don't we see evidence of their existence (Deaths by exsanguination, videos, etc)?

I sincerely hope you respond to these questions. I am sure we would all be interested in drawing on your experiences.

Originally posted by MisticDragon
. you'd be surprised how many business are run by vamps & freemasons. Even an alcholic drink company has been newly aquired by a vamp. I know your next question is how do I know this? cause the label was changed after the company was bought, and then used in a vamp movie, its almost obvious.

Admittedly I did a quick double-take with this one. Vamps...and...Freemasons?! One is an established group with hard evidence of it's existance and which, I'm sure, has members who do own companies. The other is an entity which may not even exist outside of fiction; why are they being used in the same context? Are you implying that Freemasons and Vampires are similar? The same? Unearthly?

I digress; Which drinks company are you talking about? And which movie? It's obviously not as obvious to some of us

some vamps have unlimitless funds, some live outside the united states but have various business ventures within the united states. oh and if they did something "local law enforcement" doesn't like tough.. some have diplomatic immunity and can't be held for any reason.

Nifty allegations there. Diplomatic immunity? How would they acquire this, exactly? Who authorizes this? And who does it affect?

You could even successfully list companies which are headed by vampires...that would be a good start, at least.

Thanks in advance.

Well...this certainly has taken an unexpected twist.

I must say i have found this thread very fascinating. I would usaully say to misticdragon that he;s talking utter bollocks, however, i would like to see his answers to Jerimiahs questions first.

I am willing to beileve that there are many things out there we humans don;t understand, but soem things seem too much,

Misticdragon, if i may ask, how did you come into contatc with these apparent vampires you know? And why indeed do they not drink your blood? Assuming that they indeed drink blood?

I look forward t your answers ...