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posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 09:33 AM
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Taishyou and Soulforge make excellent points here.

The US would not risk any war with China, they are nuclear capable and are financial allies with each other, they'd be sabotaging them selves to stand in between of China and Taiwan.

If NK decides to launch a suprise attack on SK, they will more than likely threatend by the US who has superior nuclear capabilities.

A nuclear war wont happen, that is what nuclear deterence is all about, however, a new cold war is very likely, but no one will be foolish enough to risk MAD, Mutally Assured Destruction.

But with Warmonger Bush, we never know what might happen, he might declare war on China and North Korea, which will be a war on 2 fronts, worse yet, troops will be spread out so thin that war will be extremely difficult, Draft will be necesary and public uprisings could be the result.

This could be the end of the United States.




posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Laxpla
I never felt like reading the whole thing, but from I read, if China attacks Taiwan, its not China vs the United States, its NATO vs China. Also, if they secretly want Russia, NATO and Russia would dominate anyone in the world, hell they are the world.


haha i couldnt agree more
and what does China get from attacking Taiwan?



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 10:40 AM
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Taiwanese porn


Seriously Taiwan is very well developed and so they perhaps want to get some of the tech. Also gives them prestige and lets other people know not to mess with china.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by ulshadow
so war starts soon right... great, now we can see what secret weapons US black projects have hehehehe


War is something you have never Experienced. And you do not want to , unfortunately sometime soon you shall experience it.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 11:05 AM
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NATO and Russia are "the world?" Good grief. The United States could crush Russia and NATO if it wanted, that is why everyone either fears or hates the United States.

And Bush a "warmonger?" So he's a warmonger for going after the terrorists who attacked the country before they attack it again, uh-huh. People also seem to forget that with regards to Iraq, Saddam broke the cease-fire. WMD and so forth were part of it as well, but he also broke the cease-fire. You can't break a cease-fire and not expect retaliation (well, with Clinton you could).

The United States wages war in the Middle East right now because the terrorists are there and they attacked the U.S. So now we are attacking them; we are in their backyard, and we will continue attacking them until they stop being a theat to us.

The previous president, Clinton, knew about Osama bin Laden during the first World Trade Center bombings and still decided not to go after him. So of course then about a decade later 9/11 happens.

Bush is a dufus in certain ways (I hate his policy on Mexico). But be glad he is president right now with regards to the terrorists. If Gore or Kerry were in control, we'd probably be cowering and looking weak and seeking ways to "appease" the terrorists (not going to work when they're devoted to the literal destruction of the United States).

War is sometimes necessary. It is necessary to the security of the state.

BTW, Russian-Kid, it'll be a long time before the United States is a "wasteland."



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 11:25 AM
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if U.S.A could beat Russia in a war but if Russia had a good economy then U.S.A wont be able to beat Russia



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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NATO and Russia are "the world?" Good grief. The United States could crush Russia and NATO if it wanted, that is why everyone either fears or hates the United States.


No one fears the United States here in Europe, they just completely disagree with them, and you stated that the US would "crush" NATO AND Russia? keep dreaming, they'd be outnumbered and outgunned by a large factor, NATO and Russia is a large majority of the western world mind you



And Bush a "warmonger?" So he's a warmonger for going after the terrorists who attacked the country before they attack it again, uh-huh. People also seem to forget that with regards to Iraq, Saddam broke the cease-fire. WMD and so forth were part of it as well, but he also broke the cease-fire. You can't break a cease-fire and not expect retaliation (well, with Clinton you could).


The conspiracy community thinks otherwise about Bush, the majority believe that he allowed 9/11 to happen or more extreme theories claim he staged 9/11, personally I think he could easilly do the latter.



The United States wages war in the Middle East right now because the terrorists are there and they attacked the U.S. So now we are attacking them; we are in their backyard, and we will continue attacking them until they stop being a theat to us.


The war was started for profits for the Defense Contractors and the Oil industry, again, the majority of the people believe this, and seems more plausible. why would terrorist attack the US if they eventually would be mericlessly crushed? it's suicide, Bin Laden is smarter than that.



The previous president, Clinton, knew about Osama bin Laden during the first World Trade Center bombings and still decided not to go after him. So of course then about a decade later 9/11 happens.


Who would have supported a war on a person that the CIA funded in the FIRST PLACE! Remember Bush Sr. was the head of the CIA, and had an intimate relationship with the Bin Ladens.



Bush is a dufus in certain ways (I hate his policy on Mexico). But be glad he is president right now with regards to the terrorists. If Gore or Kerry were in control, we'd probably be cowering and looking weak and seeking ways to "appease" the terrorists (not going to work when they're devoted to the literal destruction of the United States).


Bush is a puppet, controlled by his father and/or the secret government.



War is sometimes necessary. It is necessary to the security of the state.


They create boogiemen when they want to start a war, Pearl Harbour was allowed to happen because they wanted a piece of the World War 2 pie.



BTW, Russian-Kid, it'll be a long time before the United States is a "wasteland."


Maybe not caused by war but rather by polution.

Over-nationalistic views will only be the downfall of the US, the sheer arrogance is compelling but the zenith of foolishness.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 12:37 PM
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hahaha never said that the U.S will be a wasteland... its a inside joke non ov u will get it and i took the line it will soon be a wasteland out ov a game called Red Alet 2:Yuris Revenge

now why would china attack taiwan????

[edit on 28-6-2005 by russiankid]



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo


NATO and Russia are "the world?" Good grief. The United States could crush Russia and NATO if it wanted, that is why everyone either fears or hates the United States.


No one fears the United States here in Europe, they just completely disagree with them, and you stated that the US would "crush" NATO AND Russia? keep dreaming, they'd be outnumbered and outgunned by a large factor, NATO and Russia is a large majority of the western world mind you



And Bush a "warmonger?" So he's a warmonger for going after the terrorists who attacked the country before they attack it again, uh-huh. People also seem to forget that with regards to Iraq, Saddam broke the cease-fire. WMD and so forth were part of it as well, but he also broke the cease-fire. You can't break a cease-fire and not expect retaliation (well, with Clinton you could).


The conspiracy community thinks otherwise about Bush, the majority believe that he allowed 9/11 to happen or more extreme theories claim he staged 9/11, personally I think he could easilly do the latter.



The United States wages war in the Middle East right now because the terrorists are there and they attacked the U.S. So now we are attacking them; we are in their backyard, and we will continue attacking them until they stop being a theat to us.


The war was started for profits for the Defense Contractors and the Oil industry, again, the majority of the people believe this, and seems more plausible. why would terrorist attack the US if they eventually would be mericlessly crushed? it's suicide, Bin Laden is smarter than that.



The previous president, Clinton, knew about Osama bin Laden during the first World Trade Center bombings and still decided not to go after him. So of course then about a decade later 9/11 happens.


Who would have supported a war on a person that the CIA funded in the FIRST PLACE! Remember Bush Sr. was the head of the CIA, and had an intimate relationship with the Bin Ladens.



Bush is a dufus in certain ways (I hate his policy on Mexico). But be glad he is president right now with regards to the terrorists. If Gore or Kerry were in control, we'd probably be cowering and looking weak and seeking ways to "appease" the terrorists (not going to work when they're devoted to the literal destruction of the United States).


Bush is a puppet, controlled by his father and/or the secret government.



War is sometimes necessary. It is necessary to the security of the state.


They create boogiemen when they want to start a war, Pearl Harbour was allowed to happen because they wanted a piece of the World War 2 pie.



BTW, Russian-Kid, it'll be a long time before the United States is a "wasteland."


Maybe not caused by war but rather by polution.

Over-nationalistic views will only be the downfall of the US, the sheer arrogance is compelling but the zenith of foolishness.


Aside from the British military, there is no other military in the world capable of fighting wars. NATO would not stand a chance.

As for this war being over oil and the defense contractors, that is rubbish pretty much. They said the same thing in Gulf War I as well. As far as what conspiracy theorists think, that is just it, they "think" that because they are conspiracy theorists. You need to look at the overall facts and picture of the situation.

There are people who think the U.S. created the tidal wave that hit out in the Pacific as well. Just a conspiracy theory.

There was no "wanting a piece of the WWII pie," man. The United States could not remain neutral for much longer. Some way or another, it was going to get drawn into the war. It is theorized that Roosevelt may have allowed Pearl Harbor to happen to bring the U.S. into the war then at that moment, but no one knows for sure.

Bush is definitely not a puppet at all (as much as he can avoid being one due to lobbying), and he is far from a warmonger. He is doing what is necessary for the security of the country. Yes, of course the CIA worked with the Bin Ladens; not all of them are evil and devoted to the destruction of the United States. That is Osama bin Laden.

People like to say he is a puppet who is controlled by a secret society, yada yada, there is no real proof of that at all because it simply isn't true. It IS true that Bush's decisions (and those of every politician and President) are influenced somewhat by the rich people in this country. They are probably your secret society.

But contrary to popular belief, this war isn't about oil and it for d**n sure isn't over anyone's wanting to "conquer" the world or anything, the way many people suggest.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo


NATO and Russia are "the world?" Good grief. The United States could crush Russia and NATO if it wanted, that is why everyone either fears or hates the United States.


No one fears the United States here in Europe, they just completely disagree with them, and you stated that the US would "crush" NATO AND Russia? keep dreaming, they'd be outnumbered and outgunned by a large factor, NATO and Russia is a large majority of the western world mind you



And Bush a "warmonger?" So he's a warmonger for going after the terrorists who attacked the country before they attack it again, uh-huh. People also seem to forget that with regards to Iraq, Saddam broke the cease-fire. WMD and so forth were part of it as well, but he also broke the cease-fire. You can't break a cease-fire and not expect retaliation (well, with Clinton you could).


The conspiracy community thinks otherwise about Bush, the majority believe that he allowed 9/11 to happen or more extreme theories claim he staged 9/11, personally I think he could easilly do the latter.



The United States wages war in the Middle East right now because the terrorists are there and they attacked the U.S. So now we are attacking them; we are in their backyard, and we will continue attacking them until they stop being a theat to us.


The war was started for profits for the Defense Contractors and the Oil industry, again, the majority of the people believe this, and seems more plausible. why would terrorist attack the US if they eventually would be mericlessly crushed? it's suicide, Bin Laden is smarter than that.



The previous president, Clinton, knew about Osama bin Laden during the first World Trade Center bombings and still decided not to go after him. So of course then about a decade later 9/11 happens.


Who would have supported a war on a person that the CIA funded in the FIRST PLACE! Remember Bush Sr. was the head of the CIA, and had an intimate relationship with the Bin Ladens.



Bush is a dufus in certain ways (I hate his policy on Mexico). But be glad he is president right now with regards to the terrorists. If Gore or Kerry were in control, we'd probably be cowering and looking weak and seeking ways to "appease" the terrorists (not going to work when they're devoted to the literal destruction of the United States).


Bush is a puppet, controlled by his father and/or the secret government.



War is sometimes necessary. It is necessary to the security of the state.


They create boogiemen when they want to start a war, Pearl Harbour was allowed to happen because they wanted a piece of the World War 2 pie.



BTW, Russian-Kid, it'll be a long time before the United States is a "wasteland."


Maybe not caused by war but rather by polution.

Over-nationalistic views will only be the downfall of the US, the sheer arrogance is compelling but the zenith of foolishness.


Aside from the British and U.S. military, there is no other military in the world capable of fighting wars. NATO would not stand a chance.

As for this war being over oil and the defense contractors, that is rubbish pretty much. They said the same thing in Gulf War I as well. As far as what conspiracy theorists think, that is just it, they "think" that because they are conspiracy theorists. You need to look at the overall facts and picture of the situation.

There are people who think the U.S. created the tidal wave that hit out in the Pacific as well. Just a conspiracy theory.

There was no "wanting a piece of the WWII pie," man. The United States could not remain neutral for much longer. Some way or another, it was going to get drawn into the war. It is theorized that Roosevelt may have allowed Pearl Harbor to happen to bring the U.S. into the war then at that moment, but no one knows for sure.

Bush is definitely not a puppet at all (as much as he can avoid being one due to lobbying), and he is far from a warmonger. He is doing what is necessary for the security of the country. Yes, of course the CIA worked with the Bin Ladens; not all of them are evil and devoted to the destruction of the United States. That is Osama bin Laden.

People like to say he is a puppet who is controlled by a secret society, yada yada, there is no real proof of that at all because it simply isn't true. It IS true that Bush's decisions (and those of every politician and President) are influenced somewhat by the rich people in this country. They are probably your secret society.

But contrary to popular belief, this war isn't about oil and it for d**n sure isn't over anyone's wanting to "conquer" the world or anything, the way many people suggest.

[edit on 28-6-2005 by Broadsword20068]



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 01:18 PM
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i guess that ur right we are theorists but hey it could be true no proof that its not true and no proof that it is



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 08:17 PM
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Bear in mind that Siberia hold much of Russia's oil reserves, mostly unproven. Yes, Siberia is very cold and land is frozen under the extreme cold winter seasons but global warming is having an effect on melting snow and thawing Siberian land faster than before, which would give Russian oil companies better access to hard-to-reach parts of Siberia and drill for oil (Paul Roberts who wrote "The End of Oil" book pointed this out, as a matter of fact).

I'm also mindful of a Sino-Russian economic relationship in that region, there's no doubt it's been an amiable one... so far, maybe to a point. However, China knows Russia have an abundance of proven oil reserves and the prospect of unproven oil reserves in Siberia thawing from global warming is very enticing to China but with Russia having all the says and controls of Siberia and its unproven oil reserves is an obstacle to China's long-term desire to obtain oil at all costs, especially important for the Chinese military. China does not wanted to be dictated by Russian oil authorities anymore and China doesn't wanted Russia to export oil to other countries any further.

It all depends on how money China is willing to pay for. China have been quite very busy with securing oil rights with Iran and Venezuela so far but it would take very lengthy pipelines and tankers to transport oil to China. There are oil fields in the South China Sea but it is outside China's international boundary and China's navy do not have the sufficient force to secure the whole South China Sea and the adjoining areas of the Pacific. Plus there are other Asian countries using oil from there, international shipping lanes and perils associating with piracy and high seas as well as the US Navy and its submariners patrolling about the South China Sea.

What China wanted is immediate access to oil and Siberia is it. Its military deemed Sibera's unproven oil reserves as a very high priority and would prefers to remove Russian control in order to have unfettered access and that's mean stabbing Russia in the back and the front. Without immediate access to oil, China can't win wars and flex its powers across the planet.

The nature of relationship between Russia and China have always been a tense one under the surface, in spite of its leaderships in mutual neighborly positions. Russia may not have any interest in the land of China or its resources but China is tendentious with Russia's vast Siberian land and its oil fields.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by russiankid
hahaha never said that the U.S will be a wasteland... its a inside joke non ov u will get it and i took the line it will soon be a wasteland out ov a game called Red Alet 2:Yuris Revenge




I take offense to your suggestion that the USA is soon to be a wasteland. No Russian would wanted it and only a warped sick mind would desire it. As an America, I admire Russia, its history and its people. Russia's vast countryside is absolutely breathtaking (from the pictures). I befriended few Russians and knew a great Russian artist personally. Beautiful, leggy Russian women are a treat for the eyes. On the downside, vodka binge, alcoholism, high percentage of homelessness, organized crime and AIDS are distressing to the Russian people. The Chechen war and terrorism in Russia are real concerns.
Putin may be a firm President but his authoritarian, Soviet-style leadership turn off most Russians and the Russian media.

You're fortunate you're in the US as an invited guest, where you have all the benefits that a free citizen have and I'm certain Russian-Americans would try to persuade you to become a US citizen than to go back to Russia. Is that how you wish for the USA to become a wasteland?



Originally posted by russiankid
now why would china attack taiwan????


Because China considers the island of Taiwan as a province of China. The only reason China wanted to take the island is because Taiwan have a government originated from the national government of China that escaped to the island province when the Reds took power in 1949. Taiwan is the home of the actual national government of mainland China, not the bloodthirsty communist usurpers led by Mao Zedong.

[edit on 6/28/2005 by the_oleneo]



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 09:01 PM
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... u just dont get it do u??? i like the U.S.A! i live here! i live in portland oregon!
i took the line "it will soon be a wasteland" out of a game Red Alert 2:yuris revenge
that 2 barreled tank ....
and it says im stuck in america cuz hey im 14 i live with my mom i cant just go off and my own house back in Russia...

what countries are going to help Taiwan???

[edit on 28-6-2005 by russiankid]



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 01:19 AM
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China will take over the USA economically within the next 5 or 7 years according to leading economists [if they haven't already taken over the US]. This has been heralded with China taking over the USA in terms of exports [the first country to do so in 56 years]. Taiwan would almost certainly be attacked and taken over swiftly by the Chinese. The USA would never even dream of war with China for three main reasons:

1. The USA has it's military stretched all over the world, defending many ecoonomical and militaristic places of importance. Attacking China would become a deaths sentence unless nukes would be involved.

2. Billions and almost Trillions of dollars are invested by the USA in China. Electronic goods are manufactured in China through US companies. If war starts the lifeline of trade and goods to the USA would stop.

3. If China attacks Taiwan and the USA becomes invloved North Korea would definetly invade South Korea. This would signal the beginning of the end for America.

Considering that the might of the USA canno't control a few Iraqi militia imagine what would happen if they faced the full wrath of the red army?

[edit on 29-6-2005 by Uk_United]



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 05:02 AM
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in a real fight they wouldnt care about things like winning the hearts and minds of the people in Iraqi. Dont underestimate the US military there are a lot of things that would be different vs a real enemy the influx of soldier via a draft and the usaged of metal storm tech to plummel the troops, plus a few black projects.

Any war between china/north korea vs Allied forces would be draining for every one destroying both groups much like post ww1, since this feels like pre-ww1 arms race. silly people.



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 10:06 AM
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China has a long way to go before overtaking the United States economically. It does not yet have the internal infrastructure to match the U.S. economy. China's economy is still far from equaling that of the United States, but the thing with China is that their economy is growing at a remarkable rate.

The United States could crush any Iraqi militia. The problem is that you cannot fight such militia properly if you're trying at the same time to NOT to kill the civilians.

And no, the United States military is not stretched to the limit worldwide. If necessary, the U.S. could field a force equivalent to the size of the one in Iraq if necessary, on the ground. U.S. subs and carriers are a separate ordeal.



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 10:14 AM
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This guy before me brought up a good point. While the Chinese economy has soaring growth rates, roughly double that of the US economy, they don't really have any other place to go but up. Let's not forget they have a long road ahead of building up a stable resource infrastructure. I think it's a good idea to move some business there. People seem to forget that while outsourcing does hurt the common joe, it does still bring in revenue for the actual country of origin. And, if we secure a stable place in the base of the Chinese infrastructure now, we will ensure we stay competetive with them whenever they do have a more balanced economy. When our economy becomes completely global, that will help stave off war. I would say if we can keep the peace for another 20-30 years, we'll have a much more stable political climate.



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 10:31 AM
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Global warming? The temp only went up 1 degree in 100 years i thought? So your saying, in siberia, you will need to wait around 10000 years to pump oil out of them?

Hasnt global warming been going on since the ice age before humans? The ice age, what melted all of it? an increase of temp from pollution?


Also, I remember watching TV, and former lockheed president said that our tech is 40 years advanced then what is out now. Why would we release all of our black projects during Iraq? We release them during a big war.
Intelgurl, from Rayethon, said that she said an upper official said that they had 3 black planes in there inventory.


If the United States do get in a war with China, thats IF, China would feel the need to use nukes, since there airforce been wiped out along with the naval ships.



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 11:33 AM
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who thinks that this is going to be a WWIII??????





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