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Abuse and torture found at Gitmo

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posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 12:00 PM
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Alwayslearning:

You won’t change my mind and I won’t change yours. We think differently.

You choose to believe based on hearsay so long as it fits your agenda, and my beliefs are based on facts and proof on an individual case basis. I don’t blanket my beliefs.

For example: There was absolute abuse at Abu, proven and convictions ensued. But that has absolutely no bearing on Gitmo and how detainees are treated there. You however will think that all detainees in USA custody MUST be abused because what happened at Abu.

It’s quite simple.




posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc


What I Saw At Gitmo

“By Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 27, 2005

Here is an interesting fact regarding detainee’s at Gitmo quoted from the article:

“Of the estimated 70,000 battlefield captures that were made in Afghanistan, only a tiny percentage, something on the order of 800-plus, were eventually evacuated to GITMO. These were the worst of the worst. More than 200 have been released back to their home country – if the U.S. is assured that the detainees would not be tortured by local authorities upon return….”
[edit on 27-6-2005 by skippytjc]


That statement right there destroyes any validity in this article like anti-matter!
Boom....decimated premise!
If they are the worste of the worste....why the hell have they been released?
If you can't see this extreme flaw in logic then you are completely mind washed.
Tell me, the children at Gitmo, they are the "worste of the worste"...oh yeaaaah sure.

The US government has allowed no independent evaluation of the camp, because
they are hiding the abuse.

The Pentagon admitted to hours of video tapes which contained torture and abuse at gitmo, but has not released the tapes to the public.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 12:25 PM
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You even pay attention to the news Legalizer?

There was a HUGE deligation of US VIP's and such there over the last fews days to check the place out. The guy quoted is a Lt., how can you state that there is no way he was there? Proof?



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
That’s the problem. You ASSUME guilt even though there is no proof, just allegations from prisoners.

But I am naive because I ASSUME innocence without the presence of proof or a judgment from a trial?

I don’t know where you live, but where I live you are innocent until proven guilty. And not one claim of abuse at Gitmo has amounted to anything more than an accusation from a disgruntled detainee and some retracted statements from a couple of media outlets. That’s it.


Skippy - this statement is so hypocritical it is laughable. In fact, its insulting to the intelligence of anyone with an ounce of good sense. So, according to you the right of being presumed innocent until proven guilty only applies to American service men and women? Why does the same not apply to those so-called, but not charged, tried or convicted "terrorists"?

I think you need to regroup and ask yourself who has really benefitted from all of this, then you will know who really should be living the high-life at Gitmo et al.

By the way, have you read this: US acknowledges torture at Guantanamo; in Iraq and Afghanistan



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Legalizer
The US government has allowed no independent evaluation
of the camp, because they are hiding the abuse.


And who exactly would you want to do an independent evaluation?
The UN? Yeah, right.
The criminals who accepted billions in
bribes from Saddam and who sold their Security Council vote ..
taking billions in $$$ which were stolen from the Iraqis by Saddam.
The UN criminals who didn't want their illegal cash flow to cease
so they voted against liberation of Iraq? Yeah, that would be a
real hoot ... having THEM investigate GITMO.


Amnesty International? The once wonderful organization that has
gone the way of the anti-American extreme left. They ignore N. Korea,
they ignored Saddam mass murdering hundreds of thousands and
mass raping ... but they go gaga over a dozen dirty pictures being
taken in an American POW prison. Yeah, they would be REALLY
evenhanded in their assessment.
They call for other countries
to arrest George Bush if he enters their countries ... but they don't
say anything even close to it when terrorist Arafat was out and about.
THey don't say anything when a REAL evil dictator like Castro
was out ... nope, the idiots save it for a conservative American president.

The American Red Cross has already been there.

I don't think that anyone in the history of warfare has had to submit
to international inspectors coming into their POW prisons to inspect.
Just that thought is a joke. No one inspected the N.Korean prisons
during the Korean war when Americans were frozen to death. Or
the Vietnamese Prisons when people like Sen. McCain were beaten
on a regular basis. So the only reason anti-Americans are screaming
that OUR prisons now need to be inspected is because they want to
fabricate things against America.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 03:03 PM
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Omigod, this had me practically in TEARS of laughter.


One detainee was heard to tell another: “One day I will enjoy sucking American blood, although their blood is bitter, undrinkable….” These recalcitrant detainees are known euphemistically as being “non-compliant.” They attack guards whenever the soldiers enter their cells, trying to reach up under protective facemasks to gouge eyes and tear mouths. They make weapons and try to stab the guards or grab and break limbs as the guards pass them food.


They are sooooo evil, that they are torturing their innocent american captors. Awww. How tewwible.

Does this kind of crap actually pass as propaganda these days? It's pathetic.


jako



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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skippy and company are jumping with joy, but this is BAD news. If our own soldiers cannot maintain a prison, we are destined to lose every war we involve ourselves in.

It's absolutely pathetic these guys are actually happy that it's our soldiers being abused.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 03:25 PM
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Of course this goes on. Did you know that half of those captured at Gitmo that are released have been recaptured on seperate battlefields? These people want to harm the U.S. That's why they are there, and if you are calling desecration of a book torture, ya'll need to learn something - that is NOT TORTURE!

Do I need to give examples of torture? Maybe those who call it torture need to, oh, I don't know, join the military and find out.

-wD



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
You even pay attention to the news Legalizer?

There was a HUGE deligation of US VIP's and such there over the last fews days to check the place out. The guy quoted is a Lt., how can you state that there is no way he was there? Proof?


Lets repeat this idiotic statement : There was a HUGE deligation of US VIP's
You mean the people who voted for and are profiting from the war, the people who signed
the patriot act?

and then
The guy quoted is a Lt/
I'm supposed to believe a man who is paid to say anything the government
tells him to say? Sorry but a persons rank in the military means jack and jill crap to me.
It only puts a bug flag on his forehead that says "puppet".

Who do I want to observe over there, lets see how about Amnesty international,
how about indepedent reporters from ALL countries.

The words of any US official are to be met with skepticism,
they are trained to serve without questioning not to tell the truth, truth
that might hurt their sacred careers.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by WeBDeviL
Did you know that half of those captured at Gitmo that are released have been recaptured on seperate battlefields?

Any evidence for your claims or do you just happen to talk out of your arse on regular basis? I do know of at least one instance where such a thing happened, which is not exactly surprising, yet that it is "half" or has any other quantified percentage put on it, I am not aware of.

[edit on 28-6-2005 by Simon666]



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by Legalizer
Who do I want to observe over there, lets see how about Amnesty international, how about indepedent reporters from ALL countries.


Read my information about three or four posts before yours
Legalizer. I'll repeat this to be sure you read it ...
(oh brother ... Amnesty International
)

Amnesty International? The once wonderful organization that has
gone the way of the anti-American extreme left. They ignore N. Korea,
they ignored Saddam mass murdering hundreds of thousands and
mass raping ... but they go gaga over a dozen dirty pictures being
taken in an American POW prison. Yeah, they would be REALLY
evenhanded in their assessment.
They call for other countries
to arrest George Bush if he enters their countries ... but they didn't
say anything even close to it when terrorist Arafat was out and about.
THey didn't say anything when a REAL evil dictator like Castro
was out ... nope, the idiots save it for a conservative American president.

Independent reporters from all countries?
There has never
been in the history of modern warfare 'inspections' by reporters of
prisons. N. Korea wasn't inspected when Americans were being
frozen to death. Vietnam wasn't inspected when John McCain
was being tortured. So now because it's 'in fad' to be anti-American
and some MURDERERS at GITMO complain, we are supposed to
throw wide open the doors of the prison and let everyone in to see?
Yeah, right.
The anti-Americans would be taken plenty of notes
and handing the info over to the terrorists so they could attack and
break their damned buddies out to fight again.

The suggestion to let reporters, let alone foreign reporters, run amuk
through GITMO is absurd.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 07:11 AM
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Who do I want to observe over there, lets see how about Amnesty international,
how about indepedent reporters from ALL countries.


Question for you Legalizer, how many countries have open the doors of their prisons to "independent reporters from ALL countries. How many countries have every done anything of the kind for the POW camps?

Let me save you some time..........none.
It is a great time for those who want to throw stones at the US, but as the old saying goes.... "If you live in a glasshouse, now don't trow stones"



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