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reply posted on 12-7-2005 @ 05:58 AM by Daedalus3

chinawhite.. thats not my problem..So you're trying to say ALL the articles online that criticise the chinese military/govt policies etc. etc.. are in chinese??
Not even ONE in english? Even that is hard to believe

Maybe I would've agreed to a babelfish translation but unfortunately I suspect foulplay..
But I'll give you the benefit of doubt for now.. babaelfish translation would do..
Maybe you can give link(s) to the articles and I'll try and get the hard copies translated here to confirm your translations..
So lets give it go.. I'm waiting..

reply posted on 12-7-2005 @ 06:12 AM by chinawhite

OFF TOPIC (i need to answer Daedalus3 query)

i dont mean that i have any. the most likey place where you would find a chinese article criticising the chinese governemnt would be chinese. acording to a estimate there is some 7000 newspapers and more than 310million papers a day. something in their must have been posted.

Does this state control media??. does india have that much newspapers

Newspapers and Journals
The number of newspapers in China has increased from 42--virtually all Communist Party papers--in 1968 to 382 in 1980 and more than 2,200 today. By one official estimate, there are now more than 7,000 magazines and journals in the country. The number of copies of daily and weekly newspapers and magazines in circulation grew fourfold between the mid-1960s and the mid-to-late 1980s, reaching 310 million by 1987. (2)

These figures, moreover, underreport actual circulation, because many publishers use their own distribution networks rather than official dissemination channels and also deliberately understate figures to avoid taxes. (3) In addition, some 25,000 printing houses and hundreds of individual bookstores produce and sell nonofficial material--mostly romance literature and pornography but also political and intellectual journals.

www.cia.gov...

A CIA REPORT

Diversified Content
The media's growing autonomy has been reflected in their increasingly diversified content. Since the late 1970s, despite periodic reversals, Chinese media have frequently criticized party cadres and have published debates on such fundamental issues as the rule of law, freedom of the press, and universal human rights. They also have reported on a myriad of previously untouched social and lifestyle subjects. The only inviolable restrictions appear to be an unwritten ban on challenges to the party's right to rule and to the legitimacy and decisionmaking authority of top party leaders.

[edit on 12-7-2005 by chinawhite]

reply posted on 12-7-2005 @ 10:40 AM by Stealth Spy

Chinawite's signature

to indian members. come to this thread to discuss anything you want about china vs india

politics.abovetopsecret.com...

like enough has not been discussed here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

and like any further flame wars can change the facts ??

there are articles supporting both theories, we (indians) will post some and you guys will post some and we'll go effectively nowhere.

There are more sane things to discuss online.

reply posted on 12-7-2005 @ 12:50 PM by Daedalus3

Originally posted by chinawhite
OFF TOPIC (i need to answer Daedalus3 query)

i dont mean that i have any. the most likey place where you would find a chinese article criticising the chinese governemnt would be chinese. acording to a estimate there is some 7000 newspapers and more than 310million papers a day. something in their must have been posted.

Does this state control media??. does india have that much newspapers
[edit on 12-7-2005 by chinawhite]

AS I said.. if there are soo many papers then you'll have NO problem finding any articles online(if they exist).. Babelfish translations would do also..
If you can't show examples of this so called "freedom of press" and there are more than 7000 newspapers then I'm SURE you can find some steadfast "anti-establishment" publications..
In India a good example of an "anti-establishment/incumbancy" publication is the "Frontline"...
THe NUMBER of papers published is not important.. People will argue that "Singapore" has more press freedom than China.. That doesn't mean singapore has more papers than china.. It means that a higher percentage of sing newspapers utilise their freedom to criticise the establishment when they deem necessary..
Are you saying that Xinhua.. which is online obv. doesn't print anti-establishment stuff? IF it did.. I'm sure you'd have given the info, link et all!!

India probably has lesser publications than china AND a lesser amt of them online than china but still you fail to quote any concrete anti-establishment newsgroup/institution etc etc. online.. That says it all..
I rest my case..

P.S: I am willing to debate this AND the NPT violations on the debate forum as a FORMAL debate under the scrutiny of neutral adjudicators in the form of a DEBATE if you're game.. Maybe then one of us will shut up and agree or maybe even leave ATS if the one judged wrong disagrees with the judgement..

reply posted on 13-7-2005 @ 01:19 AM by chinawhite

its the problem of finding the articles. you cant use babelfish to find chinese articles.

what do you want me to find??

i dont have a clue what you want me to find. you can forget about military thigns because wesponary in china is top secret. not reported in the media.

ok what about the NPT. what do you want to debate about

reply posted on 13-7-2005 @ 01:23 AM by chinawhite

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
like enough has not been discussed here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

and like any further flame wars can change the facts ??

there are articles supporting both theories, we (indians) will post some and you guys will post some and we'll go effectively nowhere.

the thread is in slug-fest its all about flaming.

well its good to get all your thinking off your chest.

reply posted on 13-7-2005 @ 04:26 AM by Stealth Spy

Originally posted by chinawhite

the thread is in slug-fest its all about flaming.

No thanks

No surprise in seeing that you want a flame war slug fest.

A flame war with you is the last thing on my mind after i read Daedalus's signature.

and chinwhite...about this :

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by Daedalus3
Give me one chinese media source that has the guts to point out flaws in the country's military or industries in the way the article does above..

how do you expect me to post articles about that when all/nearly everything is written in chinese.? or you you forgot use chinese write chinese

Why dont you give us the articles in whichever language and we'll get our our translation.

your failure to do so directly implies as Daedalus said not one chinese media source that has the guts to point out flaws in the country's military or industries in the way the article does above.

reply posted on 13-7-2005 @ 05:25 AM by chinawhite