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Originally posted by chinawhite
the SD-10/PL-12 has a longer range than a R-77
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Originally posted by chinawhite
the SD-10/PL-12 has a longer range than a R-77
SD-10/PL-12 range = 70km .... posted by you
R-77RVV-AE-PD range = 160
The 'PD' stands for Povyshenoy Dalnosti, which in Russian means Improved Range. This variant has been test-fired and uses a solid-fuel ramjet engine
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India's ASTRA BVRAAM's range = 80km (the currently tested variant)
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Chinawhite, sure the LCA's development was a problematic one. And this article is a several years old one which was written when the LCA was troubled. And it is also an example of India's free media.
But the horrid past is behind the LCA and now its fixed and is progressing well
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Lets look at the J-10. First of its design is based on the Israeli Lavi and Israel have transferred several aircraft technologies to China. Despite this China has had sivere and several problems with the J-10 and it has crashed several times with one killing the chief test pilot.
The development of J-10 has proven to be tortuous. The first prototype was set to fly between 1995-96, powered by a newly designed WS-10 turbofan. However the development of this indigenous engine suffered some serious difficulties and thus the rear fuselage and engine intake were forced to be redesigned in order to accommodate an alternative AL-31FN engine imported from Russia. As the result, the first prototype (01) made its maiden flight on March 23, 1998, two years behind the schedule. The project suffered another setback between 1998-99 when the 02 prototype lost control and crashed, caused by certain system failure, presumably with either the FBW system or the engine. After careful redesign and extensive ground test, the successful flight of a new prototype (1002) put the project back on the track.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
But China's state controlled media does not tolerate any such articles on its "copy-everyting" weaponry or the painful and killingly slow development of the J-10, the FC-1 and the Type 98. All these involve haevy russian involvement and despite this and over 20 years of struggling on this none of these have been operationalised.
Before you post such outdated and unwarrented crap, do look at how the development of the J-10, FC-1 and the Type-98 have progressed. and i recall " People living in glass houses should'nt throw stones at others". There was a time when the chinese armed force did not even want to induct the J-10 and FC-1.
And go look at how the J-10 prototypes crashed and killed its chief test pilot and taken over 20 years despite the fact that Israel gave China most of what the J-10 contains and the fact that Russian built the rest. And the same goes for the FC-1 as well.
The project was initiated in February 1992, by China Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) who officially invited the PAF to invest in the Super-7 program. In return for full participation in design and development phase, with exclusive co-production rights. After careful consideration Pakistan Air Force (PAF) decided to go ahead with is project and got the Government approval in October 1994.
INDIAN AIR FORCE PROCURES RUSSIAN STEALTH TECHNOLOGY FOR MIG-21's
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is now adding stealth modifications to an existing $340m programme to upgrade 125 of its MiG-21bis fighters to MiG-21-93 standard. Sources for Jane's Defence Weekly have revealed these secret events in a report published in today's edition of the magazine.
Extensive tests to demonstrate Russia's ability to upgrade Indian fighter aircraft with stealth capabilities took place in front of Indian defence ministry officials at the Sokol aircraft plant in Nizhniy Novgorod on 29th May 2000. The demonstration was highly successful and is understood to have resulted in the Russian government and RSK MIG urging the IAF to adopt the stealth modifications across its MiG-21-93 fleet.
The core of the demonstration saw two MiG-21bis--one upgraded with stealth technology and one without--being tracked by what is believed to be a Mig-31 in a controlled test of radar-absorbent materials (RAM) and coatings developed at the Moscow Institute of Applied and Theoretical
During its flight the radar signature of the upgraded Mig-21bis was shown to be between 10 and 15 times weaker than the regular MiG-21bis.
Originally posted by russiankid
... J-10?? i think that its an attempt to copy out MiG 1-44
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
> Composites are inherently stealthier than metal and the LCA's air frame, including wings, fin and fuselage are made of carbon composites
> Very small size with tail-less design and simple delta wing config ensure a very low RCS
> DRDO has said it will have an RCS of 1/3 of a Mirage-2000 (without RAM)
> Uses the GE-404 engine(atleast for now) - which is also used in the F-117 and is optimised for stealth and very low heat signature
> The LCA will also be painted with Russian RAM that has alredy been used on Mig-21's
> Moreover the LCA's basic design itself is so stealthy, that DROD is using the LCA's airframe and basic structure for its future stealthy MCA.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Lets look at the J-10. First of its design is based on the Israeli Lavi and Israel have transferred several aircraft technologies to China. Despite this China has had sivere and several problems with the J-10 and it has crashed several times with one killing the chief test pilot.
Dont embarass youself...there was only 5 J-10 were built for testing.
The development of J-10 has proven to be tortuous. The first prototype was set to fly between 1995-96, powered by a newly designed WS-10 turbofan. However the development of this indigenous engine suffered some serious difficulties and thus the rear fuselage and engine intake were forced to be redesigned in order to accommodate an alternative AL-31FN engine imported from Russia. As the result, the first prototype (01) made its maiden flight on March 23, 1998, two years behind the schedule. The project suffered another setback between 1998-99 when the 02 prototype lost control and crashed, caused by certain system failure, presumably with either the FBW system or the engine. After careful redesign and extensive ground test, the successful flight of a new prototype (1002) put the project back on the track.
It took so long to esign the J-10 was because there was a change of requiement.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Its you who's embarassing yourself...only 4 LCA's have been built for testing and none of them have crashed. how do you like that ?
FBW failure....*shakes head* ...that's about the only thing that Israel did'nt give China fully.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Chinawhite, sure the LCA's development was a problematic one. And this article is a several years old one which was written when the LCA was troubled. And it is also an example of India's free media.
But the horrid past is behind the LCA and now its fixed and is progressing well
My article is 2003 not 7 years ago
lets look at your articles.
2003
www.flug-revue.rotor.com...
2003
www.pakistanidefence.com...
2002
www.newsmax.com...
now lets see who post the older articles
Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Its you who's embarassing yourself...only 4 LCA's have been built for testing and none of them have crashed. how do you like that ?
FBW failure....*shakes head* ...that's about the only thing that Israel did'nt give China fully.
The LCA fly-by-wire was programed by the US..
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
2002 is 7 years back ?? grow a brain
My article is 2003 not 7 years ago
and besides, lets see you post any 2005 articles saying the FC-1's cost is 10 million.
Heck and why did you forget mentioning the sinodefence article which is 2005 and says that the FC-1 dose'nt cost 10 million
Originally posted by chinawhite
WHeres you proof about 7 J-10 crashs, or are you trying to mislead people again
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Originally posted by chinawhite
WHeres you proof about 7 J-10 crashs, or are you trying to mislead people again
Its you whose trying to mislead people. I never said there were 7 J-10 crashes.
Quit putting words into my mouth.
Read stuff properly.
Despite this China has had sivere and several problems with the J-10 and it has crashed several times with one killing the chief test pilot.
Originally posted by chinawhite
2002 is 7 years back ?? grow a brain
here stealthspy..i dont seem to mention that your article is 7 years old it was you who said my article is 7 years old your getting confused.