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posted on Aug, 14 2003 @ 09:41 PM
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Question.

If COmmunism comes back do you guys, COmrades throw the church back out or have communism with religon.

Quite frankly I dont see how you can have a form of government without God but then again how do you have the NWO with God?

Socialism with Organized religon might work pretty good.




posted on Aug, 14 2003 @ 09:50 PM
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Well, i guess with the Final Showdown takes place we shall know. Russias miltary is still in shambles though, so we'll have no problem dealing with you. Next?



posted on Aug, 15 2003 @ 12:23 AM
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The new government will not be communist. It will be Socialist. The new Socialist government will tolerate religion and let people worship as they please. Personally, I do not see religion as a major threat to the security of a nation as long as the citizens are rational.

People are not ready for communism, and they will not be for a long time.


Na Zdrowie!



posted on Aug, 15 2003 @ 04:06 AM
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Pan PolskieWojsko
why do you think that second cold war has started?
I live near Russia and havent noticed something like that

Uz veseliibaam arii tev.

[Edited on 15-8-2003 by Agnis]



posted on Aug, 15 2003 @ 10:11 PM
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Pan Agnis, the new cold war has not yet started... it just a prediction of what might happen in my opinion. By the way I am curious, what do your people think of Poland in general?



posted on Aug, 16 2003 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by Lukefj
Infinite,

I doubt that very much. I think if you put your finger on the pulse of most other countries you would find that there is very little support for Bush, especially with respect to his foreign affairs activities. I think most of the world would stay out of it, much like they did with Iraq, but you would have some very eager middle east countries jumping on the Russian bandwagon. US allies would be Canada (laugh, no military), and the UK.

Possible tipping scale countries would be China, Japan, and Germany.


Even if we have a respectable army we sure are not going to help you americans anyways.

As for Russia getting their ass kicked your exagerating a bit the military is no doubt in shambles but is by no means a push over. Russia's tank legions would Pawn NATO through sheer number and heavy fire power. While invading Russia would be a crappy mistake I assure you it didn't work for Napolean or Hitler (Although I admit they were both idiots when it came to ruling their countries.) I would guess Russia would unleash waves of attacks to either stop or slow down advances long enough for that famous russian winter to come then things will get interesting.

BTW I like your avatar PolskieWojsko hehe Polish Relief Fund so sad...



posted on Aug, 16 2003 @ 04:24 PM
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I'll admit that Russia has great potential to be a world power, but in order for that to happen some drastic changes need to occur.

But as for Russia's number of tanks and firepower, I think that both Gulf wars proved what happens when Russian built tanks face off with American tanks. The sheer numbers of Russian tanks are impressive on paper, but it seems to be that an American M1 Abrams is more than a match for the Russian counterparts.

During the cold war, the Russians concentrated on numbers where the U.S. concentrated on unit quality. Which is more powerful: 1000 conscipts or 500 volunteers? But to be fair, Russia did produce an excellent assault rifle and the guns on their latest model tanks are nothing to laugh at.

In the end though, essential ingredients to a powerful military are high morale and fighting spirit of an all-volunteer army. Without these, even the worlds largest army equipped with the best weapons money can buy will rarely emerge victorious.

And as for the Canadian military being laughed at...I'd do some research before laughing at them. Last time I checked, the Canadian armed forces has in it's arsenal a lot of American and British military hardware. Plus their troops and pilots appear to be pretty well trained. I could be incorrect on some of these points...but I think I'm right. If anyone here from Canada could share some insight on the armed forces there..I'd be greatly interested.



posted on Aug, 16 2003 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Hillbilly
I'll admit that Russia has great potential to be a world power, but in order for that to happen some drastic changes need to occur.

But as for Russia's number of tanks and firepower, I think that both Gulf wars proved what happens when Russian built tanks face off with American tanks. The sheer numbers of Russian tanks are impressive on paper, but it seems to be that an American M1 Abrams is more than a match for the Russian counterparts.

During the cold war, the Russians concentrated on numbers where the U.S. concentrated on unit quality. Which is more powerful: 1000 conscipts or 500 volunteers? But to be fair, Russia did produce an excellent assault rifle and the guns on their latest model tanks are nothing to laugh at.

In the end though, essential ingredients to a powerful military are high morale and fighting spirit of an all-volunteer army. Without these, even the worlds largest army equipped with the best weapons money can buy will rarely emerge victorious.

And as for the Canadian military being laughed at...I'd do some research before laughing at them. Last time I checked, the Canadian armed forces has in it's arsenal a lot of American and British military hardware. Plus their troops and pilots appear to be pretty well trained. I could be incorrect on some of these points...but I think I'm right. If anyone here from Canada could share some insight on the armed forces there..I'd be greatly interested.


Canada has like UK TOLALLY PROFESSIONAL ARMED FORCES? Their tanks Leopard tanks.. MUCH BETTER THAN ABRAMS.. or havent you heard? US bought a SPANISH FACTORY THAT WAS BUILDING LEOPARD 2 MBTs CAUSE US HAD LOST THE "LEAD" in armor tech.. actually M1 abrams was first US TANK that had even or supperior change against "enemy" armor.. Sherman, m48, m60.. everybody laughed at those.. even US MILITARY..
M1A1 was first decent US mbt.. and might be last as US is giving tanks up..

AND btw Leopards 120mm gun uses them MOST POWERFUL AT ammo in the world.. even DU rounds at US/RUSSIAN arsenal lose to these in penetration.. (POWER!)



posted on Aug, 16 2003 @ 04:47 PM
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Well, I admitted I could have been incorrect. But the Leopards are an awesome machine......and to give credit where it's due, the Germans invented armored warfare and are the origional masters of such.

As far as I can tell, American armor tactics are based in part on German blitzkrieg tactics of WWII.



posted on Aug, 16 2003 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by Hillbilly
And as for the Canadian military being laughed at...I'd do some research before laughing at them. Last time I checked, the Canadian armed forces has in it's arsenal a lot of American and British military hardware. Plus their troops and pilots appear to be pretty well trained. I could be incorrect on some of these points...but I think I'm right. If anyone here from Canada could share some insight on the armed forces there..I'd be greatly interested.


Its not that our military is not well trained its just that they receive very little funding from the goverment... We're stretched to the limit with our participation in Afganistan. BTW I've heard that Canada has the world's most heavily trained snipers not sure but it would be cool if that was true. The way I see it Canada concentrates more on scouts and light infantry then on per say tank legions and a massive navy.



posted on Aug, 17 2003 @ 03:29 PM
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Russia sided with France and Germany during GW2, mainly as they were very interested in helping promote the OPEC conversion of oil standard currency from the US dollar to the Euro.

However, as this has so far failed, I believe Russia is reconsidering its position on the matter. The fact that the Chechyans have been constantly forcing the issue for Russia may well be a contributing factor.

Also, Russia is still in a fragile economic status, and as such political disruptions and revolution are always possible. However, I believe that the Russian government possesses sufficient military force and resources to prevent any such thing from happening, and the US is very interested in maintaining thier hesitance to further support the EU, therefore they would likely aid in preventing any kind of revolution.



posted on Aug, 17 2003 @ 03:40 PM
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Saddam was paying off his debt by selling oil to Russia in really, really low prices. Now, since America and the allies control all the oil fields in Iraq, they will start selling oil to Russia at the 'right' price, which is high. America is screwing Russia out of money that is Russia's.

Russia will soon step into this Middle East situation.



posted on Aug, 17 2003 @ 03:45 PM
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America is screwing Russia out of money that is Russia's. Posted by Illmatic67

Not sure that is an accurate characterization. Yes, Saddam may well owe money to Russia, however, Saddam is gone (or at least no longer in power). That is essentially a bad decision on Russias part, and they are now stuck with a default debt. Such is life.

Is the US doing this intentionally? Well, you can be assured that it is a bit of retribution for Russia failing to support the US in the war, that is to be expected. Ask most Kiwis/Australians about how that works.



posted on Aug, 17 2003 @ 09:32 PM
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In that matter, dr, I can give you 100% categorical assurance that roos are more sheep than kiwis are.

Refer my previous comment on replacing New Zealand with Niue in a useless treaty to become ANUS instead of ANZUS.



posted on Aug, 18 2003 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by PolskieWojsko
Pan Agnis, the new cold war has not yet started... it just a prediction of what might happen in my opinion. By the way I am curious, what do your people think of Poland in general?

Well, I have a friend from Poland
and he doesnt like his homeland very much (especially going to church every Sunday)
As for us, Latvians, we dont have anything against Poland.





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