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Which Flag Would Jesus Burn?

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posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Lets assume that the title of this thead is more like "What would Jesus Do?". Or would he "burn the flag" in a metaphore way, meaning that he
would not support them nor what they represent at this time - flag
including?


As much as you'd like to re-mold Jesus into a romanticised bandana
wearing anti-government revolutionary .. he wasn't that. Read the
bible. He directly said - 'give to Ceaser what is Ceaser's and give to God
what is God's' when asked about paying taxes to gov'ts that were
unfair. In other words, pay your taxes even though you disapprove
of the government. I'm here for a higher purpose, to deal with your
souls. His followers were going to make him King and he left
wanting no part of politics.

Christ wouldn't have bothered to bring up politics or flag burning,
not even in metaphores. None of his metaphores had anything
to do with 'anti-government revolutionary' behavior. And his
was an occupied country with the occupiers not behaving well towards
the people. The metaphores all had to do with the SOUL.

You seem to have a romantic notion of 'revolutionary'.
Christ wasn't political at all. Not at all.
Having a fantasy of him in a barret burning a flag is funny, but
not historically accurate.




posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Souljah
You mean "Doing great Job" like Halliburton and his endless frauds
and scandals? Or like DynaCorp that .... is employed in sex-trafficking
and other filth stuff?


Souljah .. It's the UN that's doing the 'great job' ... with endless
frauds, scandals, sex-trafficking and other filth stuff.

Oh yes, I agree that the UN is also one Big Mafia - no doubt about it.

But we are not Talking about them now - we are talking about US Military Corporations and what Profit they get when USA is at War or is preparing for one.

I dont think tha Boeing makes so much money with their Civilan Projects, as they do with their Military Projects.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 07:53 AM
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Okay Souljah ... We are a Boeing Family. I just emailed my
husband at work. I asked him for a breakdown of how much
Boeing is military, civilian, and space. I'll post his answers
when he emails back.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Okay Souljah ... We are a Boeing Family. I just emailed my
husband at work. I asked him for a breakdown of how much
Boeing is military, civilian, and space. I'll post his answers
when he emails back.

AAAaaaah!


Now I undersand your Defensive Position towards Military Corporations - Boeing Especially.

Here is a Quick Overview of Boeing Military Fact Sheet - Just for You:



Military contracts 2004: $17.1 billion

Major campaign contributions in 2004: $312,595 (defense related)

$1.6 million (total)

America’s largest exporter, Boeing is also the Pentagon’s second largest contractor, eclipsed only by Lockheed Martin. Revenue from military goods now outstrips Boeing’s earnings from commercial sales by $5 billion a year.

Boeing ranks number sixty six in the Center for Responsive Politics’ list of the 100 biggest political donors since 1989. Over the nineties, Boeing handed out $7.6 million in Political Action Committee (PAC) and soft money contributions. During the 2002 election year, Boeing gave $909,134 in PAC contributions and $700,482 in soft money donations and its contributions added up to more than $1.5 million during the 2000 elections.

www.corpwatch.org...

So as we see Military goods outstrip commercial earnings by 5 Billion Dollars - meaning that if tomorrow suddenly all Wars that USA is involved in (and Will be involved in) End, Boeing can simply close down the shop. Especially since 9-11 Civilan Aircraft production has fallen severly.

[edit on 27/6/05 by Souljah]



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
You seem to have a romantic notion of 'revolutionary'.
Christ wasn't political at all. Not at all.
Having a fantasy of him in a barret burning a flag is funny, but
not historically accurate

OK.

You have Your Opinion - and I have mine.

I also Think that Jesus, as said by mister EastCoastKid, would get a one way ticket to Gitmo.

Especially with that Beard of his!



[edit on 27/6/05 by Souljah]



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Major campaign contributions in 2004: $312,595 (defense related)


Now Souljah ... if you want to talk about campaign contributions
we can drag in the NEA, Planned Parenthood, SOROS, and all the
rest. Campaign 'contributions' by any of these (and others) are
It is hardly defense contractors that stand out.

As I said, when my hubby emails back I'll post the official % of what
Boeing works on.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. America NEEDS defense
spending. If we were stupid and dropped it all .... we wouldn't
be here to see the sun rise in the morning. America NEEDS the
people employed as well. Without those people being employed
they wouldn't pay taxes and aaaaaaaaaall those billions in us $$$
wouldn't be going overseas in aid.

I will get back to you when he emails ...



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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If Jesus is going to burn anything its the future Babylon, REVELATION 16,17,18. Babylon is Iraq where the river Euphaties lies. It won't be about burning of a flag but I bet all flags there will be gone. Yes Babylon has had a history of curruption that is where the garden of eden is situated and the evil spirits play their political games, no wonder its currupt in past present and future. God loves every body and every nation but sometimes if the whole world is threatened or the existance of his chosen people he will destroy that nation for the sake of the world he loves.

Best if no one burns any flags as they so oftenly show the American flags being burned on TV.

[edit on 27-6-2005 by The time lord]

[edit on 27-6-2005 by The time lord]



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 02:55 PM
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I didn't read through all of this ....

but the title of your thread is offensive!!!!!!!!!!!


if I ever see anyone burning an American flag, you will deal with me



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by elevatedone
I didn't read through all of this ....

Dont Judge a Book by its Cover,

...is what they always say, right?

Maybe you should try that also, before started Flaming your Rage instead.

Just an Advice.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by FlyersFan
You seem to have a romantic notion of 'revolutionary'.
Christ wasn't political at all. Not at all.
Having a fantasy of him in a barret burning a flag is funny, but
not historically accurate

OK.

You have Your Opinion - and I have mine.

I also Think that Jesus, as said by mister EastCoastKid, would get a one way ticket to Gitmo.



Let's all open our bibles and actually read what the man said.

He challenged the authority of the day by pointing out all the wretched hypocrisy. The truth is like salt being poured into a gaping wound. He wasn't crucified for being passive. Most people have a fairy tale notion of Jesus. He was most definitely a revolutionary (and yes Flyers Fan, he did point out that if you owe tax to the government, pay it. That was the law then as it is today. That doesn't change the fact that he spoke to truth to power and was viciously murdered for it.)



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 02:29 AM
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Jesus would be way down with America. And is.

Also, I am against the burning of the American flag. Why do it?



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 03:23 AM
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Here's a solution for all the flag burners

Take the flag, put under shirt, go to a corporation, use toilet, insert flag, flush..laugh
Now thats protest in action.

You burn a flag, then there is nothing left.
Flush a flag, and you get a feces flowing flood of destruction.

Or here's another one. Just find every flag you can, and spray paint
"MADE IN CHINA" on it, since its the truth

To answer the question about Jesus.
The answer is None: he's dead jim!



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 06:34 AM
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Double post .. sorry

[edit on 6/28/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
lets all open our bibles and actually read what the man said.

Excellent idea! We all should have thought of that back on page one.


He challenged the authority of the day by pointing
out all the wretched hypocrisy.

Actually, he challenged the RELIGIOUS authority of the day.
They didn't politically run the country. The occupiers did. Absolutely.
The religious authorities had to answer to the occupiers - Rome.
The only thing he said about them was to 'give to Ceaser what
is Ceaser's and give to God what is God's'. In essence ... obey
the rules of the land even if you know them to be unfair. He never
lifted a finger to protest the political authorities of his time and
when he was brought before them just before being crucified,
he remained SILENT. No protests, no speeches about how they
were evil, no political rhetoric about nationality or soverignty ...
no burning of the Roman flags .... just SILENCE.

To the RELIGIOUS authorities He spoke of things of the soul
not of how awful they ran the place.


He wasn't crucified for being passive.

He was passive when he was crucified. Silent. He was not
violent (with the exception of overturning tables in the RELIGIOUS
house of worship).

'He was led like a sheep to be slaughtered; and like a lamb
that is dumb before the shearer, he does not open his mouth'
- Acts 8:32 The LAMB of God. Peaceful. Silent.

Another quote - 'The bent reed He would not break'
He was peaceful.

Another quote (I can't remember where it is right now) speaks
of how when a candle is blown out it will still smoulder, and
Christ wouldn't even extinguish the smoldering candle ...
(actually, that sounds kinda' buddhist .... but it really is in the bible
I just can't remember where right now)

He was crucified because the RELIGIOUS authorities were
jealous of him. He was actually holy and they weren't. He
enjoyed the hosanna's of the people. He rode the donkey
into Jeruselem with palms being thrown on the ground in
front of him. This was prophecy fulfilled that He was their
true king ... the religious authorities saw their religious power
being taken away and they were jealous and scared of losing
their positions.


That doesn't change the fact that he spoke to truth
to power and was viciously murdered for it.

He spoke the truth about those in charge of RELIGION.
He never spoke about those in charge of his country politically
nor the occupiers except that one time when he was asked
about paying taxes to the corrupt gov't. (which he said to pay)

Jesus wasn't a political revolutionary. He was (and IS)
the Christ. He came for souls, not politics. He ran from being
crowned king. He wouldn't burn flags. He wouldn't go to
the UN and make speeches about this or that ... He's be
with the people and He'd be concerned with their SOULS
not their countries' politics. He healed the servent of the
occuping soldier just as he healed the 'good' Jews. He
taught the Samaritan woman at the well, something Jews
wouldn't do - speak to Samaritans. But He saw a soul, not
a Samaritan. He saw souls, not countries or politics.

When souls are brought into the Light of Christ EVENTUALLY politics change .... Rome fed Christians to the lions and within a few
hundred years most Romans became Christian and the
practice stopped because if it kept up most of the city
would be feeding itself to the lions.


Side note - an excellent book to read is 'Life of Christ' by
Fulton Sheen. Wonderful book. Every page is a breath
of fresh air to the soul. Awesome!



[edit on 6/28/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
I will get back to you when he emails ...

Okay. He didn't email. When he got home he said that
he 'thinks' 20% of Boeing works on defense. The other
80% on commercial and space. But that's a 'thinks'.
He told me to look it up on the internet. I can't be
bothered I'm too busy today.

whatever the percentage .... I am VERY happy to be
a part of America's security and I support those
companies that help keep America secure and that
employ Americans.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I will get back to you when he emails ...

Okay. He didn't email. When he got home he said that
he 'thinks' 20% of Boeing works on defense. The other
80% on commercial and space. But that's a 'thinks'.
He told me to look it up on the internet. I can't be
bothered I'm too busy today.

He "Thinks"?

Hmmmm...I have clearly posted the Numbers that speak for Themselves.

Boeing is the LARGEST Pentagon Military Contractor, meaning 20% cant be "just" for defence.

Anyway, belive what you want to.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
meaning 20% cant be "just" for defence.

Actually it could be. Just because Boeing gets many Pentagon
contracts doesn't mean that the private sector (planes and
space) doesn't get just as much if not more. How much the
Pentagon puts out doesn't change the fact that Boeing has
two other sectors - commercial and space - that also have
mega-numbers of dollars going through them.

Even if it were 100% it would be fine with me. America
NEEDS defense and Boeing (and others) meet that need.
I wouldn't have a problem with even 100% of Boeing
being defense related.


Anyway, belive what you want to.

I will. And obviously so will you. You LIKE being anti-America.
Whatever keeps ya' warm at night.


I don't have time today for chit-chat. WAAAAY too much
to do IRL. (swim team meet, etc. etc.) Have a nice day.
Bu-Bye for now.



[edit on 6/28/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 01:02 AM
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You spoke very eloquently on Jesus.

You said one important thing amid the vast recitation, when one's spiritual beliefs come online, their political beliefs change things. That is the truth.

Jesus was a revolutionary. He spoke out against hypocrisy, which strikes us all in the gut and upfront - if we're listening.



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