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After all, the last refuge of a scoundrel is patriotism, and the scoundrels infesting the capital, who put this country into an unwinnable and pointless war based upon lies, along with the gutless sycophants in Congress who backed them, are now being increasingly called to account by an American public finally grown weary of the war and the lies.
The joke is that the flag is desecrated daily for commercial purposes, waving proudly in front of the corporate headquarters of war profiteers like Haliburton, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Bechtel, GE, Westinghouse and Exxon Mobil, and the homes of tax cheats like disgraced Tyco CEO Dennis Kozlowski. It decorates all manner of commercial products from the backsides of women’s shorts to a line of patriotic condoms.
What a pathetic joke it will be for future schoolchildren, reading the high-minded and carefully crafted words of the Constitution, with its careful detailing of the branches of government, the delineation of powers, the enumeration of the rights of the citizenry and the banning of slavery, when they come to this cheap amendment telling them that the beautiful First Amendment guaranteeing free speech which they read earlier is not really true: If they want to protest government actions by burning a piece of red, white and blue cloth, they can be locked up.
Article by Dave Lindroff
Originally posted by shaunybaby
free speech is free speech, but it doesn't mean you can go around protesting how you like...burning a flag would be protest using violence...which isn't free speech. in england if deface money with the queens head on, lets say 'burn a £5 note' then thats supposed to be against the law...its nothing about free speech. you could say because of free speech you have the right to kick the s**t out of someone who's muslim, or black and so on if you're a white christian...whats the problem its free speech, i have the right to express myself how i want and freely. wrong.
The divisive issue of flag burning as a form of protest came before the Supreme Court in 1989, as it decided Texas v. Johnson. The Supreme Court reversed the conviction of Gregory Johnson for burning the flag by a vote of five to four. Justice William J. Brennan, Jr. asserted that "if there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable." Many in Congress vilified the decision of the Court. The House unanimously passed a resolution denouncing the Court; the Senate did the same with only three dissents. Congress passed a federal law barring flag burning, but the Supreme Court struck it down as well in United States v. Eichman (1990). Many attempts have been made to amend the Constitution to allow Congress to prohibit the desecration of the flag. Since 1995, the Amendment has consistently mustered sufficient votes to pass in the House of Representatives, but not in the Senate. Most recently, in 2000, the Senate voted 63–37 in favor of the amendment, which fell four votes short of the requisite two-thirds majority.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Which flag would Jesus burn? None of them.
He wasn't a politician. He was interested in
SOULS not POLITICS. His followers wanted
to crown him King. He said his kingdom wasn't
of this world and he refused.
Originally posted by CaptainJailew
What if they just decriminalized flag burning but it was still legal? For example, you burn a flag, cop rolls up, gives you a ticket for starting a fire within city limits, BAM 600 dollars, BUT you don't go to jail.
Seems more likely, and it wouldn't be dismantling the first amendment because it would be the action of the parties involved and the result of their action which condemned them, not their speech itself.
Should the KKK be allowed to burn crosses in black neighborhoods? What if flag burning started to really incite feelings of hostility in people are started riots, should it still be defended? Would you really want the "freedom" to burn a flag (WHOOPEEE!?) if it traded off with your personal safety?
Originally posted by Souljah
But that still isnt the Freedom of Speech - since you are not Free do Express yourself and your Opinion, you still get Punished for that, only this time with a Mild Punishment.
That is kind of the same Tune, only Slower.
Burning - since it is Clearly Desecrating the entire institution of the Church.
And People dont start Riots because they are Bored and have nothing to do - usually that kind of Events try to tell us that someting is terribly wrong in the Society.
But then again, there will be More and More Laws approved, and that only means one thing:
More Laws - More Corrupt Society.
Originally posted by BadMojo
The title of this thread needs to be changed...or was it just a ploy to get more attention?
Originally posted by shaunybaby
how far can freedom of speech go though? if i use the excuse 'i was expressing myself freely', when i killed someone who was a different religion than me...where does the free speech end and the actual law come in to play?
showing you anger by burning a countries flag is wrong in my opinion, im not sure if it counts as freedom of speech, but yeah its wrong. this is because i could say 'we kidnapped four americans and are going to kill them and broadcast it online'...'we're doing this because we're angry with america, and therefore expresing ourselves freely'...so again, i ask...where does freedom of speech end?
And I dont think burning down somebodys House or blowing up a Car is in the same Leage as burning a piece of cloth with paint on it, which you buy in a store for few bucks. Now, how does that Compare?
Its a Piece of Cloth!
the desecration of Holy Qu'ran was executed as a form of torture and abuse, not as a form of protests, like the freedom of expression.
Originally posted by SportyMB
It doesnt matter why it was done....paper is paper, cloth is cloth. Anyways, why is flushing a Qu'ran torture? To some people burning the American flag may be torture....just as mental as flushing a Qu'ran.
Then the Muslim community retaliates by burning American flags...two "wrongs" don't make a right.
Sorry to wander off topic.....yeah that will defiantely be wrong to ban burning of American flags....I don't think the law will ever get passed, IMO
If it does it will say alot about the direction this country is going in.