posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 06:19 PM
Originally posted by dbrandt
Originally posted by Zipdot
The fact is, he didn't match the Jewish requirements. Had he done so, there would not be a rift between Jews and Christians today.
The Jewish people were under the impression that the messiah would come and set up a physical kingdom.
Well, the "impression" that they are "under" is scriptural. Their prophecy is unfulfilled by Jesus. It goes a little further beyond "an
We (all people) are seperated from God by our sins. That is THE huge problem that God is concerned with first. Jesus came to remove the sins of
anybody who desires that. That is the mission He came to accomplish.
Yes, I do understand that this is the basis of Christianity as set forth by the gospel of Paul. Unfortunately, this is not in accordance with the Old
The words "Original Sin" don't exist in the Bible or Jewish writings. The "fall" of Adam was an interpretation formed sometime after the Exile
and return of the Jews to Judea. This is the heart of Christian theology as taught by Paul. Jesus was some kind of human/deity sacrifice to make up
for the alleged "sin" of Adam where mankind became mortal as punishment for Adam. Quoting Paul,
Rom. 5:12, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned"
Rom. 5:19, "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners"
1 Cor. 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."
No amount of hype or theological double-talk changes the fact this whole concept is immoral and unjust. Punishing millions of people for the acts of
one is irrational. The concept of Original Sin is unsupported in the Jewish scriptures:
Deut. 24:16, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be
put to death for his own sin."
2 Kings 14:6, But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD
commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be
put to death for his own sin."
Ezek. 18:20 "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of
the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."
There are HEAPS more, but I can't quote too much - here's a link
The Jews and many people then and now miss that point. Why, because some sin gives temporal pleasure for a season and exalts self. But anybody who
desires to have their sins removed and be restored to God and someday see and live with Him forever can come while the opportunity is available.
Again, I do understand the postulations of Christian forgiveness. I don't think I or the Jewish people are missing any points here.
People have no patience and because Christ has been gone for 2000 years some are quick to assume that this whole Jesus thing must have been
interpreted wrong. While we have no patience, God abounds in patience. If He didn't we in the 21st century wouldn't be here.
I would say that the Jews have incredible patience, as they are still waiting for the COMING, as opposed to the "second coming."
I've posted this before. To God 1000 years is like a day. Jesus has been gone for only 2 days in God's eyes and timing. 2 days is not very long
Personally, I interpret this Bible passage:
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
As a description of the timelessness of heaven.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night.
As illustrative of the relativity of time in light of certain factors, such as expectance or whatever (i.e., "damn, woman, it seems like just
yesterday that you dumped me, and here we are, 10 years later, and I've got two kids and a hundred thousand million dollars and a yacht...")