Islamic Jihad leaders are chickens apparently...

Jihad leaders hid during their rally today. They are scared of the Israeli's. But...They don’t try to stop followers from going into harms way. I guess jihad has different levels of commitment huh?

"I wage jihad upon you! My people, fight!! Blow yourselves up on my command! Just dont hurt me..."


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"BEIT LAHIYA, Gaza Strip (Reuters) - Islamic Jihad activists marched on Friday, vowing not to be cowed by Israeli death threats, but group leaders wary of assassination by airborne missiles avoided the rally.

Israel said on Wednesday it had resumed a "targeted killing" policy against leaders of Islamic Jihad, underlining how far a ceasefire with the Palestinians has frayed since a February summit that revived hopes of Middle East peace.

Islamic Jihad chose Beit Lahiya for its usual Friday rally. Around 1,000 faithful turned up to condemn Israel's decision and pledge retaliation. "Blood for blood and a shelling for a shelling!" they chanted.

But faction chiefs and masked gunmen who normally join such rallies were absent this time. Even the group's main spokesman Khaled al-Batsh remained in a car some distance from the rally.

A Jihad leaflet distributed to marchers said: "We urge our mujahideen to take maximum precautions to foil any chance for the occupation and its planes to eliminate us."

Batsh told Reuters: "The enemy is flying dozens of drones in our skies. Certainly we must be more careful. God has ordered us to take care against the plans of the Zionist enemy."

They are hanging back in the alleys like shadows afraid of the light. It's called all talk and no action. It looks as if Israel's "Targeted killing" policy for the leaders of these terrorist groups appears to be working. These guys are afraid to show up, even with mask on.

That is the plan, to push these cowards back into their holes, were they are afraid to publicly take action. Once enough "common" people wake up and realize that they are dying for nothing, this whole thing is bound to end.

Come on even the number 2 guy for Al Quida in Iraq surrendered without blowing himself up.

What a martyer that guy is.

As long as its not them, then everything is all right in the eyes of allah for YOU to blow yourself up, regardless of how pointless that action is.

No different than our brave Mr Bush and Mr Blair really, although I'm sure they'd just love to lead their men into battle, rifle in hand, singing a rousing song

While I agree with you about those two characters in particular Britguy, it isn’t really apples to apples technically. The masked fighters themselves wouldn’t even march, not just the leaders. Presidents and PM aren’t known to fight in modern day, from any country. But leaders from rebel groups, radical groups, terrorists groups and such should be the roll models of their cause and be out on the front lines. And they arent just leaders, they are the tactical and military leaders as well. After all: They are trying to motivate people to extremes up to the point of suicide.

Originally posted by Britguy
No different than our brave Mr Bush and Mr Blair really, although I'm sure they'd just love to lead their men into battle, rifle in hand, singing a rousing song

bush and blair appear in public constantly. I hope you were being sarcastic

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

Originally posted by Britguy
No different than our brave Mr Bush and Mr Blair really, although I'm sure they'd just love to lead their men into battle, rifle in hand, singing a rousing song

bush and blair appear in public constantly. I hope you were being sarcastic

to be fair, bush and blair aren't having an anti-insurgent march through bagdhad or fallujah. i hope you can see that this would be is a more parallel theoretical situation.

so bush and blair are chickens, cowards ? billybob, don't take it personally that I called you out on that junk you posted about bin laden bros, you deserved it

Dbates-

You have the GREATEST avatar that these two eyes have ever seen. How I wish your Moderator status couldn't keep me from voting you Way Above!

Originally posted by skippytjc
Jihad leaders hid during their rally today. They are scared of the Israeli's. But...They don’t try to stop followers from going into harms way. I guess jihad has different levels of commitment huh?

I think the logical answer to this is that they don't want to die in a position in which they aren't carrying our jihad. I am sure they would still kill themselves if it meant some Israelis were going down with them, or they would march into battle, but to die in a way not-consistant with their view of "jihad" would also mean they wouldn't be guaranteed a right into heaven. Who would want to die for no reason? It is a needless risk, and yes, they still evaluate risks rationally even if they are fanatical zealots. I don't think it is that weird.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so bush and blair are chickens, cowards ? billybob, don't take it personally that I called you out on that junk you posted about bin laden bros, you deserved it

i deserve many things.
i don't take it personally. in fact, i barely noticed the neocon wind blowing ever so gently up my shorts. i kinda get a cheap thrill out of it, in fact. don't take it personally.

'jihad' means 'struggle'. it is not an offensive holy war, as the CON would have you believe.

Originally posted by Rasputin13
Dbates-

You have the GREATEST avatar that these two eyes have ever seen. How I wish your Moderator status couldn't keep me from voting you Way Above!

At least now we know your priorities.

Those guys are braver than the US so far. I mean - not to be "crude" or anything, at least they are fighting for something. Jihad doesn't mean to go killing people for ... whatever the reason Americans think it is. And if anyone out there's doing that, sad for them, thats not what Jihad is for. I wish the US would think twice before invading people. War isn't meant to be simple. They can't go stepping on poor little forgein people then whine when they start fighting back. Who's the coward, the bully with the P90 or the kid with the slingshot?

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

Originally posted by Britguy
No different than our brave Mr Bush and Mr Blair really, although I'm sure they'd just love to lead their men into battle, rifle in hand, singing a rousing song

bush and blair appear in public constantly. I hope you were being sarcastic

Id hardly consider being behind a huge defensive cordon and apearring only before prescreened participants apearing in public. The day Bush walks down the streets of a bagdhad with no escort is the day we can call the leaders of these people cowards for demonstrating reasonable discretion.

I wouldn't say these guys are "chickens" for hiding out of plain sight. It's common sense if they know they are targets for assassination by the IDF or Mossad.

However, I would certainly call them "chickens," or even worse, for a different reason. That reason is that they knowingly brainwash people and send them to certain death to kill innocent civilians. The fact that the Quran says nothing about martyrs who blow themselves up around innocent women and children going to paradise to be with a bunch of virgins, makes them liars. Sending others to kill themselves for a cause that they themselvse won't shed a single drop of blood for, makes them cowards. And before any of you liberal hippies jump in and equate Bush sending troops to Iraq with terrorists sending suicide bombers to Tel Aviv (I know how you people think), its not even close to comparable.

Originally posted by Kriz_4

Originally posted by Rasputin13
Dbates-

You have the GREATEST avatar that these two eyes have ever seen. How I wish your Moderator status couldn't keep me from voting you Way Above!

At least now we know your priorities.

Yeah... my priorities are charging those who commit adultery, drive drunk into a lake, leave the woman they're cheating on their wife with to die, go home and sleep, and never spend a day in jail because they're a Kennedy. Is that so wrong of me? Are you pro-DWI? Are you pro-manslaughter? Or are you just so much of a liberal that you're blind to injustice committed by your drunken leadership?

Regarding the avatar -

I don't think the avatar is that cool, it certainly is sick and depraved that a man could commit such crimes and not be charged (excluding adultery, the government has no place to judge moral fiber) but I also don't think putting the image of a dead woman on a light-hearted picture is right either. I don't think the avatar was made to attempt to bring Ted K to justice, so it doesn't really serve a practical purpose. The woman died for Christ's sake and you are using the image for your personal little political joke, I'm sure no one really cares or takes it seriously, but it just doesn't ring the "cool" bell for me.

On topic -

Recruiting an army by lying to them isn't being a chicken, I bet everyone one of those leaders who didn't show their faces has (at least once) been directly in the line of fire, or directly been mortally threatened due to their beliefs. I doubt they have large political agendas, I don't think any of them believe they will become rich or powerful through their actions. I think they probably really believe half of what they say, and would probably be more than willing to lay their life down for the cause.

Their tactics in war don't make them chickens either, they are fighting an incredible army with a numerical and technological advantage, they have to do what they can to survive. If it means IEDs, mines or whatever, they will do what they can to win a war they feel is worth it. I also see no difference in pushing a button that detonates an IED and pushing a button that launched a tomahawk missile, and I can assure you we have fired more tomahawks than they have detonated IEDs.

Well said CaptainJailew.

While it may be surprising that someone can do so much harm to their cause by not thinking about the fragility of the propaganda they are attempting to peddle it is obviously the case.

One does not have to support these people to look with open eyes at both sides and realise what a transparent crock this particular thread is and that in being so how potentially damaging it is to the cause of those who would support and agree. Bush and Blair, leaders of such powerful nations never appear without days/weeks/months of police planning, control of the location and many bodyguards. This is for appearances in their own well defended policed sovereign nations and without any death sentences bestowed by a very powerful nation unafraid of feeding their already proven penchant for assassination.

Honestly, for someone in the process of posting what amounts to a political pop-tart to do so much damage to what they would suggest is their 'side' you really do have to wonder whether it is actually inadvertent or they are just an agent provocateur. For anyone to believe for one second that there is any validity to the statement that refusing to poke your head above the parapet in such an event means you are a 'chicken' then they must have all the political savvy of a blamonge.

If of course that was never the point and the folly and idiocy of such a remark is fully understood then perhaps next time anyone attempts to stir the pot they do so with something of a little more substance than this glass spoon. Personally I believe this thread has no validity whatsoever other than perhaps [ironically] existing merely to exemplify the desperation of such pure, and rather poorly attempted, propaganda.

Jak

[edit on 25/6/05 by JAK]

If I thought someone was gonna shoot me or attack me with a helicopter the moment I showed my face in public I think I would be reluctant to show myslef...and you could call me chicken and I don't think I would care.